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评论来自
Mastrcapn
Rogues: The bane of life on a PVP server.
You will never be prepared
. Invest in an ambush shield ASAP.
评论来自
Supahtoons
Trespassers will be
Ambushed.
Survivors will be
Blinded
, then
Ambushed
again.
评论来自
Wildhorn
World of Roguecraft
(Pre-TBC video)
评论来自
Hyperlynx
Known to do it from behind.
评论来自
573802
Now you see me....Now you don't
评论来自
dreadblood
Sure, holy paladins, resto druids, and any variety of shaman can essentially whoop our asses
I really hope you're being sarcastic..
评论来自
spermbolle
I love the screenshot of the bloodfang rogue standing next to a dead rabbit xD
评论来自
Archangel76
Rogues can also perform feats that one would not think they are capable of..........
Rogue tanks Illidan
Rogue Solos Patchwerk
Rogues are capable of
Pure Awesome
Edit: Wow. Why downrate? Both were accomplishments and go to show that player skill is still the ultimate trump card. That's something I think those who truly appreciate this class can understand.
评论来自
woa12
Shankity Shank Shank
评论来自
118739
Useful Information:
Rogues are no longer required to do an annoyingly long chain quest to use poisons, and they no longer need to learn how to make poisons from the trainer. You can simply buy poison from poison vendors.
评论来自
mking52
what weapons do the best damage for a rogue? Daggers?
评论来自
dreadblood
depends on spec, I don't play a rogue but I always remember: slow MH fast OH
评论来自
Hyperlynx
Rogue is best PvP but good Pvp is too druid ferral... ferral are ^&*!s :D ... my methode. first stealt, second blind, third ambush and continues with multirate and eviscerate :D ... with multirate make 5 or 4 cp and use eviscerate and again :D
Why would you Blind as an opener? It breaks stealth so you couldn't use Ambush or Cheap Shot. Save Blind for when you're about to get kited and need time to get back in melee range, granted, as Assassination it's usually going to get broken by Deadly Poison ticks, but the 1 or 2 seconds it'll buy you is often the difference between killing and getting killed.
Also, if you're doing Mutilate it is best to use Envenom for both PvE and PvP. The idea of Assassination is that it focuses on nature damage (unmitigated by armor), not physical damage (which is mitigated by armor), and poisons and Envenom do nature damage. If you were using Eviscerate you would have a higher percentage of your damage as physical damage, so more of your damaging abilities are mitigated by armor. Plate armor is common in PvP, and that plate armor will make Envenom shine.
评论来自
Arkham
This class is often confused with
a particular kind of makeup
.
Watch your spelling -- remember, with rogues it's the G before the U!
评论来自
Hurono
When using Stealth rogues will be unseen except by the most preceptive enemies.
...Or the Hunter's pet.
评论来自
587658
Alone wolf class.Makes great at everyman for himself.
评论来自
620135
I use a very useful combo in PvP. You need to be a sub rogue, plus have the talent and glyph that increases your max energy to 130 ( should be 120 but it seems there is a bug but works just fine ).
So first you use Preparation on your target. Then you use CS( you all know what CS is ) and then Backstab/Shiv. If he uses his/her trinket/racial, pop KS right after. If not, just pop it when CS finishes. Now, you shouldn't have combo points, so spam Hemorrage on the target till you get 5. Then eviscerate. If target doesnt die, either he has stacked STA, which then requires other strategy, or your gear sucks. In that case, just Vanish and repeat or do Ambush and then go on like you want.
Best against: Clothies, Hunters, other nooby rogues
Poisons: Any you want on main-hand, crippling on off-hand ( in case you pop Shiv instead of Backstab, which i strongly advice for using less energy and having about almost same dmg )
EDIT: recently discouvered it works fine wit hall casters actually so this combo only doesnt work with plate-wearers because of their massive HP, tho that might change on cata since blizz is giving more hp to all except plate-wearers and they are improving abilities
评论来自
621739
Rogues are awesome, especially when you get people QQing about when you stealth in the Gurubashi Arena and let everyone kill themselves....
评论来自
622860
I am sick of people thinking rouges are unbeatable here is an easy way to beat a rouges in a level 10-19 BG warsong gulch with a prot pally. Pop Hand of Freedom then you Pop hammer of justice then Judgement of light(note when ever this cooldowns use again) then you use Divine Protection. That rouge has taken a good bit of damage by now and if done right you have took very little if any. Then use hand of freedom, Judgement of light, holy light, and Lay on hand if you have the chance. Use this correctly and that rouge is gonna lose. Enjoy =)
(note: only works if you have these spells so lower levels will have a hard time also you and said rouge need to be same level and some rouge that have alot of BoA gear and know how to work a rouge well you may have a hard time and BTW I AM NOT SAYING ROUGES ARE BAD THEY ARE A VERY GOOD CLASS JUST NOT INVECIABLE)
评论来自
622860
Well pallies are a noob class, they are OP at any lvl.
Noob class hmmmmm and overpowered. This is a statement that has no point every Class has a point where it appears to be unstopable. Pallies are a well rounded class not a "noob class" Refering to something as "noob" is childish at best. All classes are equal if used correctly. Well DK's are not included they are a "Hero class". Feel free to downrate my comments because a speak my opinion i will not do that to you. =)
评论来自
622860
I understand your comment but i did not mean they should not be equal. I meant they are not classified the same. I think DK's are overpowered and starting at level 55 is also a unfair advantage. I personaly have not a single DK my main character is a hunter level 74. And them starting out in blues is unfair. I actually uprated yours btw.
评论来自
Hyperlynx
Every class has that point where they seem "OP"
Death Knight:
These guys seem OP when they switch from beating on you in melee to kiting you with Chains and disease damage when you pressure them
Druid:
They seem OP when they have the skill required to use all of the tools available to them, that's just being well played, not overpowered
Paladin:
Well rounded, few direct weaknesses but but no huge strengths... they seem OP when they bubble and heal to full.
Hunter:
Nasty, well rounded class that can destroy anybody from range. Hugely prone to snares, disarms, and are useless when you manage to close to melee range
Warrior:
Protection warriors can and do stunlock better than rogues, arms have one of the nastiest AoE attacks in the game as well. Warriors hit hard, and are very effective at staying in melee range, they are also very prone to disarms and can be shut down by a wall played caster
Shaman:
They seem overpowered when you're sailing off of a cliff. Nuff said
Rogue:
Rogues seem pretty overpowered when they're turning the middle third of your screen bright red and making it difficult for you to do anything about it. But rogues without cooldowns are like low-HP warriors with paltry armor and no Charge. For rogues, unlike other classes (like a Warrior), survivability in PvP and damage in PvP are often a trade off - you can't have both.
Mage:
Quite possibly the class that allows the most control of their environment. Snares, silences, and a plethora of valuable abilities (spellsteal, polymorph, etc.) let them dominate the battlefield... and they can also put out disgusting amounts of damage. Mages seem overpowered when you just can't catch the bastard.
Warlock:
Very tough to kill as Affliction, extremely dangerous burst as Destro, and really nice CC abilities. A warlock seems overpowered when you die AFTER he does, or when he steals your HP and Mana. A well played and well geared warlock can be ridiculously hard to kill.
Priest:
Able to make an opponent's life miserable. Decent DoT abilities, and a toolbox full of nasty tricks to round them out.... not to mention the most flexible healing and team support abilities in the game. However they are squishy, and cannot rely on CC to survive, priests are considerably less effective without a friend around.
E: This was responding to a since-deleted QQ post about rogues being OP.
评论来自
410391
I think iv come to my own conclusion that every class can pwn every class it just depends who is behind the keys. Me I get beat up ALOT, but I still have fun doing it! I created my rogue after I used to like to amush people with my hunter using shadowmeld and a kitty i thought looking at that rogue running around there stabing everyones pooper,"i gotta try that".
评论来自
mixter
Paladin: Well rounded, few direct weaknesses but but no huge strengths... they seem OP when they bubble and heal to full.
And the damage...and the hearthstone
评论来自
626791
Does anyone know any good Professions for this class
评论来自
kyrierain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWgW3ogaV84
the real reason anyone play rogues..
"captcha: lame"
评论来自
183031
Okay. I haven't seriously played Rogue since pre-Wrath.
I need to know, what's a good PvE & Raid rotation like?
评论来自
645133
Stealth in cataclysm?
ive been skulking around at the contents and talent points in cata and couldnt find anything that shows rogues getting improved stealth, other than increased stealth movement speed. is this completely removed? or just not yet shown/developed?
another question.
the talent quickening in assassionation that increases your general run speed by up to 15%. does that also increase your speed further in stealth if you have increased stealth movement already? since its more like a decreased slow effect rather than an increased speed effect imo :P.. just curious
评论来自
657814
rogues may not be the best class when it comes to soloing but they are the most fun!
评论来自
658272
rogue=best pvp class
评论来自
650974
The Lvl70 ETC song says it all...
评论来自
667752
agreed!
评论来自
667752
assassination
-Nature damage is painfull. so they ignore most of the armor then plus you should stack those deadlies for the envenom.
Combat
-very scary due to the blade twisting attacks are painful tooo
subtlety
-pure combo point unloading and gathering plus you can get away if u cant kill them
评论来自
657631
The way i open a fight on a lvl 21 rogue: begin with pickpocket if i can get close enough (for double loot), then go into ambush if i can get behind them (sounds so wrong :P) then wait for energy, then gouge for a 4 second stun, then to backstab = highly effective.
评论来自
Suparockr
as if they weren't OP enough, they give them soloing heals and one-shots before level 20
评论来自
671747
1st off rogues now get poisons at level 10 i believe.
And at the moment if you want to know OP make a level 15 rogue atleast and spec him assassination. Find anyone, clothie to mail wearer(no one wears plate yet) and sap.... pool til 120 energy(when you spec assassination you get 20 extra energy), on your stealth bar make sure that your ambush and mutilate are in corresponding slot. Double click hitting about 200-400 each depending on level with BoA's on and critting like i always do. Instant poison both daggers as thats only one unlocked. If anyone survives that it will be a 19 twink or a engie with a shield/Priest shield.
And don't downrank, not my fault it doesn't look like a rotation, its jsut the rotation is so short due to crits and high out put froom Ambush/Mut combo.
评论来自
690778
What is
? Smoke bomb
评论来自
691688
I like how in the Combat tree they made it very viable to swashbuckle (fight without having to rely on stealth all the time). I like this because it makes your fighting style resemble a pirate, you know like improvising with things such as gouge or blind, where you fight dirty but not having to sneak up on them.
I even went about and posted a bunch of information on a website called
oneextralife.com
and pointed out everything you need to know about how to make one.
here's the
link
I've already started doing this on a level 38 rogue. And if I had slightly better threat generation i could pretty much tank dungeons my level.
Plus in BGs you could really throw a warrior or other class off their game when you just run up and start fighting them not sneak in and use a stealth opener like ambush, sap, or cheapshot
评论来自
692478
I have a rogue i just got to lvl 70 on, leveled with subtlety and dual spec combat.
subtlety - the master solo/pvp spec, and the most fun i've had leveling a character so far. (for reference, i am also leveling a prot pally and an arcane mage)
subtlety is designed to kill one target as quickly as possible. you move faster in stealth and do more damage in this spec coming out of stealth. here's the trick for killing that one target, whether it be a boss in a cave, random creep, or PVP:
1. stealth (duh). find a target by itself or sap its neighbor
2. use a macro to instantly use premeditation and shadowstep* - you will boost your damage and instantly appear behind them with 2 combo points ready to go.
3. ambush (60% base crit chance means it almost always crits) gives you 5 total CP at the start of combat
4a. eviscerate - a 5 CP eviscerate will do just as much if not more damage than ambush. almost any one target will be dead or near death after this (squishies especially). you can pull this off on any PVP target that isn't paying attention. I've had a kill ratio of 7:1 doing this in the arathi basin.
4b. if your target is a healer class (paladins in particular) use kidney shot instead of eviscerate. if you're spec'd right a 5CP KS will cost 0 net energy. spam backstab until dead.
*note - when sneaking up on a mage sometimes they'll blink away before you can finish them off. against mages just use premeditation if you can and sneak behind them. when they blink you can catch up to them with shadowstep (although i can almost guarantee the mage in question will be VERY annoyed and !@#$% about how rogues are op.)
once you get shadow dance you can easily rank #1 DPS on any dungeon boss fight:
1. stealth
2. premed/shadowstep macro
3. ambush
4. eviscerate
5. wait until you have full energy
6. shadow dance
7. ambush - ambush - eviscerate - ambush - ambush - eviscerate (you can pull off another ambush if you drink some thistle tea or something)
8. see your name at #1 on recount.
I haven't tried combat in PVP yet (why would I when subtlety owns all in pvp?). In dungeons combat is your friend because it's the closest thing to AOE you will get. feel free to use larger weapons such as maces here.
to get max dps do the following when attacking a mob in a dungeon:
1. stealth
2. ambush
3. slice n dice
4. blade flurry*
combat is all about melee.
adrenaline rush works really well in conjunction with blade flurry as well. although your energy regeneration rate wont be as high with blade flurry on, the attack speed stacks with slice n dice so it still provides for plenty of hits.
*killing spree works with your blade flurry ability, essentially doubling its effectiveness.
*note* i am only lvl 70 right now so don't use this advice for raiding at lvl 80
any rogues out there willing to tell me how assassination compares to these two? i seriously considered it over combat but it looked too much like it focused on a single target like subtlety.
评论来自
618815
Gnome stealth has the most hilarious "stealth walking" animation among all the rogue classes.
评论来自
700524
Gnome stealth has the most hilarious "stealth walking" animation among all the rogue classes.
Have you not seen goblins?
评论来自
TheDancingTree
sneakidy sneakidy sneakidy sneak...STAB! >:D
评论来自
652599
Silent but deadly. Like farts.
评论来自
719397
Just a quick note of an efective emergency combo for if your stealth abilities are on CD
1) Gouge gives you a quick stun and a point
2) move round and back stab another point and decent damage
3) Sinister strike if you can push it if not recuperate now for a basic heal
4) a couple Sinister strikes
5) evisorate
Note that for non elite or single targets recuperate can interchanged for evisorate. Also an effective folow on from an ambush evisorate combo.
评论来自
582434
that sword is unique so you can only have 1Chromatically Tempered Swords
but there is a sword that looks like it
look up bloodfang armor for my comment
评论来自
guatafu
Now you see me....Now you don't
Reference to Starcraft´s
Terran Ghost
Edit: My bad is not from a ghost, I know I´ve heard that phrase before somewhere but cant seem to remember, will appreciate if anyone reminds me.
评论来自
614881
whats the best spec for pvp?
评论来自
747430
not sure how i missed the removal of anethesthetic poisons. :(
评论来自
guatafu
Small, greedy and deceptive. Goblin is THE Rogue race.
评论来自
Johnnyrev
Has anyone noticed after cata rogues can not dis arm Hunter traps when they ( Hunter ) go into stealth ( or whatever they call it )and further more...can not attack, sap,etc. target is obscured! even if u are right behind them!...Basically u have to let the hunter see u attack u break ur stealth and fight from there! is this just another Knock back on rogues cause just about everything breaks stealth now! particularly annoying when u have to Try and fight against classes with pets or minions that have as much Hpand armor as their master ( so to Speak ) and can misdirect disorient etc a rogue from primary target faster and more often than u can re-aquire them ( at least in some/most cases )
Today I just ran some tests with a guild hunter while in Camo they only way i can attack them is to kick to break their stealth at same time as mine which does no advantage for rogue as it gives no combo points and element of surprise is lost!...as far as traps they are glitched some times i can dis arm them some times it seems only when they interrupt their camo to lay more traps etc. but is not always the case!...I tried cheap shot, garrote, ambush sap, Blind, gauge while standing in front of him to the side and behind with and with out stealth and the only way to attack is my kick effectively breaking my stealth or out right taking stealth off and auto attack or sin strike all melee attacks and by the description of camo it says makes them hard to hit from ranged attacks? i even tried to disarm them while standing in front with out stealth and the message is always the same "target is obscured"!
评论来自
DarkAssassin
Meaning Of Rogues in WoW: A**sReaper
评论来自
murdershot21
Everyone is forgetting this is the class played by the idiotic fratboys that claim you have no life and are generally unskilled and a liability.
评论来自
nayrb
what talent tree should a rogue at around lvl 23 have and what at medium and last lvls?(both for PvP)
PvP rogues are going to continue to debate this question, and each one will have their own valid points.
I, personally, leveled
Subtlety
because I enjoyed one hitting everything with
Ambush
. Subtlety is the best class to match up against clothies at all levels. Once you learn
Shadow Dance
, you'll be unstoppable.
Assassination
seems to be the way most rogues are going (PvP and PvE).
Update: Most PvE rogues roll Combat now, but Assassination is still a decent choice.
Assassination is great for dropping a plate wearer due to the consistent solid dps. I'm not a huge fan of Assassination for PvP because of limited escape moves and high reliance of poisons.
I'm not too familiar with
Combat
Rogues. As far as I understand, they are able to be engaged in combat for longer periods of time while surviving.
Killing Spree
is also one of the coolest moves WoW has to offer. This is also the way to go when you would rather dual wield swords, axes, maces, or fist weapons (while the other two are set up for daggers). The problem is that I have never really had a combat rogue ever be a threat to me. I've rolled several other toons, and combat rogues fall short. If you look around at other rogues, you'll very rarely see them spec'd combat. I would only consider Combat if you have epic non-dagger weapons when epic daggers are not available (aka never).
To sum it all up, duel spec Assassination and Subtlety. Use Assassination for your PvE, and learn to PvP in both.
评论来自
774062
you know, i had a lvl 23 ally subtlety rogue and at bgs i did about 500 crit with ambush. that was half of pally,warrior and other classes health. now i started again with a horde one this time that is why i am asking. with my other rogue i just couldn't kill them!so i am thinking of being subtlety until lvl 19 and then assasination. But is 500 crit with ambush good dps at lvl 23?all the players had 600-1200 HP.
评论来自
479779
A Rogue will kill
Your guts will he spill
If you have a dagger he needs,
He'll kill you, then on you he will feed
For a copper and some bling
He'll even kill a king
A Rogue is a nasty customer.
评论来自
788022
hey everyone..
I just recently got back into the game, I have a Rouge build that was pretty awesome. Lots of stuns quick attacks mostly combat and assassination and very few stealth moves.
I went this way because it seemed the stealth in PvP was useless. So when I log in I get a message stating that my talents have been reset.. Dayum! I can't remember how I had it setup, and when I use all the calculators it seems only one branch can be used. I hope that is not the case here, so when I log back into my Rogue duel welding swords with poison, should I just go combat? will I be able to combat/assassination? Because I really got used to killing spree and all my stun hits/kicks.
I seem to be reading that Rogues are given some love now with the latest Cataclysm changes.
评论来自
760803
Rogues should have a suicide option just so when you know your gonna get ganked, you just top yourself so no one gets honor.. just for teh lulz.
评论来自
527874
I love rogues, theyre easy to level and are the ultimate pvp class. Although it is kinda repetitive ( Shadowstep,Ambush,Eviscerate=kill) it will easily be one of the funnest class you play.
I think they have everything that one playing a paladin is missing.
I am only sad that you can be a druid and be a rogue. It seems op to me that a class can be another class.
评论来自
527874
Definitely Subtlety for pvp. Speedy stealth and extreme ambushes, as well as a move to instantly move you into position for an ambush, makes you have the kind of spec that is perfect for picking off healers, pesky rdps, and flag carriers(yes, you WILL make them cry)
评论来自
Spalatum
The rogue is sappin' mah healer!
评论来自
801799
Rogues kill pple in house and garden, but only if you know how to play. Still, for mages (like me) they are bane of my existence. They also have one of game's most irritating and hard technique: Stunlocking. Rogues FTW
评论来自
Wuten
I love my rogue, been playing him since patch 2.3, seen both the ups and downs of the rogue class since then.
Though, mostly the ups, we're freakin' deadly. >:)
My personal favorite talent tree is Combat, simply because now, in Cata with the new revamped talents and buffs, I can essentially act as an off-tank for the last 500k of the boss' health, more or less, if the tank kicks the bucket in 5-man normals and heroics.
Screw the Alliance and Horde! Ravenholdt FTW!
评论来自
822216
Yeah baby ,Rogue may do it from behind , but everyone else takes it from behind :P !
评论来自
761154
lol, I love how rogues are stereotyped to pwn hunters (or "huntards"). =P
Just wing clip and disengage the bastard. xD
Serpent sting too to screw up his stealth...
^--------An idiots guide to hunter stuff lawl
I like playing a Rogue surprisingly, they are the funnest class to play in PvP
i remember sapping some Ally in AB, and they started saying stuff like "Rogue, holy shat!" in common. ^.^
评论来自
Samurai4ya
The Most Funniest Moment in PvP is when a rouge finds another rouge stealthing along unaware of u, stealthing behind him, and SAP, the End. I Always do the Bag of T on them for the lulz. =P
评论来自
793788
And now you also don't have to choose another Poison because you have leveled a bit. All posions are buyable from level 10
EDIT:
1: Fixed (30-20=10)
2: Why isn't this the reply it was supposed to be?
评论来自
763737
...this is a game where you have a freedom of choice. Use that freedom.
You are free to use whatever build you like most, instead of constant nagging and asking those same stupid questions:"Oooh, what build should I use? What specc is THE best?", nag nag nag.
...
Rogues are very much down to earth class. Its not complicated to play a rogue, its not nuclear physics, it won't make you bad player if you use currently, God forbid, "unpopular" specc.
Its about hiding in the shadows, lurking, waiting that right time to strike and as you lay an ambush; to surprise the crap out of your target and to hang his spine on a nearest tree.
Its all in that element of surprise. Every specc has that element.
评论来自
223204
Assassination emphasizes the bleeds and poisons
I think you'll find Subtlety has the most emphasis on bleed-based damage, with
Hemorrhage
and
it's glyph
,
Saguinary Vein
,
Serrated Blades
, and improved
Garrote
through
Opportunity
. Combat is more based around going toe-to-toe with people in a physical fight, and assassination has more direct and over-time poison abilities.
Shortened Version list:
Assassination - Poison biased
Combat - Physical biased
Subtlety - Bleed biased
评论来自
833340
Subtlety Rogues, PvP:
I like to Stealth. Find my Target then Premeditation (or is it Preperation? Get those confused, I just know where to click on my bar) for the Combo Point. Then I Shadowstep to end up right behind him with more Combo Points. Then I Ambush for some pretty high Damage and a great WTF! moment.
I Kidney Shot to put him down for 6 Seconds (worth so much more than 1 Evisicerate). Also, if he has a Trinket or EMFH then I just forced him to Use It... or die. Now, let's say he doesn't Pop Trinket... I Shadow Dance, Ambush, Ambush, Ambush. Yes, if you time it right with your Energy and button clicks, you can drop 3 Ambushes in that 6 Seconds. If he is somehow still alive (Resi gear, usually) I Eviscerate on a Full 5 Combo.
Anything that lives after that is going to be a battle on your hand, especially if he had a Trinket to Pop and didn't. Most, especially Clothies and some Leathers, should already be dead. If he is ALMOST dead I'll Vanish and get behind for what should be one last Ambush. 4 Ambush and 1 5 Combo Eviscerate is pretty tough to deal with, especially if Poisons are Proccing. Adding that 5th Ambush after Vanish shouldn't be neccassary unless you are against a Beast.
This is where you now need to be able to use some skill (as what I put above is just some handy button clicking while watching to see if he Pops Trinket). Now you use things like Blind. Also, a smart use of your (Talent) /the one that resets Cloak of Shadows, Vanish, etc... Preperation? Premeditation? One of them./ will allow you to start the string all over again.
I always lead with this (Ambush to 5 Combo Kidney Shot) because if they DON'T Trinket, I got a huge advantage. This leaves Lesser things like Blind or using a Vanish to Sap (since Cheap Shot is cooling down with my Kidney Shot) and reset or avoid the target. I think all the DPS (Ambushes in a rush, 5 Combo Eviscerate) are worth the risk of them Popping Trinket.
I use Crippling Poison on Main Hand and Instant Poison on Off Hand (Crippling means more to me as it makes it easier for me to stay with the Target if he tries to flee) and I don't want DoTs breaking any of my Stuns (like Blind or Sap). Sometimes I use Deadly Poison and Crippling, and try not to use Blind or Sap (as Crippling would break them) because 5 Stacks of Deadly will auto proc the Crippling. I do this when I'm out-manned by Resi wearers, as it helps me get away if things go bad. By the time 5 Deadly hit I know if I can win it or not... usually not by that time... and he is Crippled so I have a better chance of getting out. Still, Crippling and Instant are the better method.
What's your favorite String (Sub or Not) to get that WTF expression on their faces?
评论来自
846034
What's your favorite String (Sub or Not) to get that WTF expression on their faces?
Assassinations Rogue; Level 69
My strings isn't complicated at all, just a lot of button clicking like above. If their one of my favorite classes to gank, like clothies or druids, i just burst them down. I'll stealth (obviously) and sneak up to my target. I cheap shot, and with talents, it hopefully gave me an extra combo point. One Mutilate later I'm at 5 CP, so I hit
冷血
and do an eviscerate. Since its usually about a 4.5k crit, they're gone. Thats my WTF string. Happy roguin'!
评论来自
Roayal
Rogue are make for killing those
lazy
auctioneers in horde/alliance cities =) That´s their work,ya :P
评论来自
George14
In PvE, Rogues are expected to get their target under 75% health from an opener when using Ambush and others. If not, your gear is bad.
评论来自
881089
nvm I take it back
评论来自
865216
I need help, or a suggestion. I'm trying to decide between a Troll, Goblin, Blood Elf, or Undead Rogue. (For each of their Racials). Trolls have increased damage against beasts, thrown weapon & bow specialization, stun duration reductions, increased regeneration, and the cool-down on Berserker. As a rogue attack speed periodically is nice, as well as regeneration and thrown/bow damage increase (plus damage done to beasts). Goblins have the nice discount and the permanent but low haste increase. Undead have a "Insignia of the Horde" Racial, Shadow Resistance, & can use a cooldown high power version of Recuperate; also, as of more recent patches, a damage & heal on hit bonus was released. Blood Elf benefits are Arcane Resistance, possible use of the Enchanting increase, & the silence/resource restore cooldown. To summarize it, I am having trouble finding the best race to use as a Rogue. The only other thing I can think of is the upside to goblins is as well as Rogues having stealth, they have small size on their side if PvP enemies click-to-target. Any help & useful information will help. Also consider this as something to mull over if you wish to play a Horde Rogue.
评论来自
polabeard
Can't rogues use throwing knives?
评论来自
keyur
I heard in MoP throwing weapon may be removed...What will happen to Fan of Knives? I like old FoK - WoLK one.
评论来自
941889
As Samuro of the Elite Tauren chieftains says,
"Rogues do it from behind!"
They infact do. Almost everything you want to do as a rogue is from behind. Of course, though, you probably won't be behind your opponent unless you have a tank with you, or in PvP, but whenever you're doing an instance with a group, or pvping, you should ALWAYS stay behind your target.
The rogue has the most freedom out of any class. Why? They can choose their own battles. You can decide who to take in WSG, you can decide who to stun in an instant. Heck, it is always awesome when you sap that dang healer in Warsong Gulch and just stunlock that Flag Carrier, especially when that Flag Carrier just runs ahead, out of healing range.
As a rogue, you are more viable in PvP, rather than PvE, because you have little to offer to the raid than raw DPS. Raw DPS is useful in PvP, but in PvE, you don't have much to offer.
You have a variety of poisons, each with different effects that can slow, damage, and debuff your opponent. This is also helpful, because you can simply poison your weapons while stealthed! This gives you the time to apply the correct poisons while that crappy caster is sapped.
You have a variety of interrupts and stuns that will wreck anybody's day up. If you are skilled enough, some undergeared 85s with 113K health may be able to take down those with 150K health. A rogue in full S11, gems, and enchants are pretty much a death sentence to whoever they are against. Critting 30-40K with ambush, and stunning the enemy for 3/4 of the battle.
You are one of the most brutal classes, with the most avoidance. Remember that. But you are also squishy. If you don't have that PvP trinket, and that pally gets a hammer of justice on you, you are pretty much dead.
Pretty much, a rogue is good for dealing a ton of damage, no matter which spec, and they have a ton of utility and stunning. They can choose their own battles, and can make quick work with almost everything you see in a BG before they do much damage to you.
评论来自
Flashadow
you dont play rogue to have fun, you play rogue to make sure no one else has any
评论来自
961436
I remember you use to be able to have your talent tree mixed up. i always went half assassin and half Sub. i whooped alot of butt back then in pvp. back then rogues were monsters at pvp, im not a fan of that new talent change.
评论来自
370533
** english version below **
Fala pessoal, blz?
Olha só, criei um blog e lá estou colocando alguns tutoriais da classe. Estou fazendo vídeos, que serão semanais, o primeiro coloquei ontem de noite e fala sobre movimentação, algo crítico, pelo menos na minha opinião, para um bom dps melee.
Mais informações em
http://roguebr.blogspot.com/
Valeu, abraços.
---------------
Hello everyone,
I've just created my own blog and it's about rogue tutorials. I am making weekly videos, which the first i upload last night, and it talks about how to move your char properly, which in my opinion is a very critical thing for a melee dps.
More info at
http://roguebr.blogspot.com/
Thanks,
评论来自
Pleasehelpme
Can some one help? im a sub rogue and i dont know if im doing it right :P. i Stealth , shadowstep, sap, ambush, hemorage, evisorate, then i use hermorage alot :P
评论来自
decipherable
Looks like someone made a mistake up top under the "Quick Facts":
Specs:
Arcane
Fire
Frost
*Only applies to the MoP version of this page.
Edit: This has been fixed.
评论来自
984899
After TBC came out, it genuinely took me a while to figure out exactly why Draenei couldn't be Rogues.
评论来自
Atreidas
Rogues......
( -_-)
( -_-)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)
DO IT FROM BEHIND.
评论来自
986364
ima start a rogue :D
评论来自
987470
By Pleasehelpme:
Can some one help? im a sub rogue and i dont know if im doing it right :P. i Stealth , shadowstep, sap, ambush, hemorage, evisorate, then i use hermorage alot :P
--------------------
hordewarrior2000:
Well, if you're pveing, then that's fine, but if you're pvping, remember to sometimes open with cheap shot, then hemo 1-2 times, kidney shot and spam hemo. I usually do this on plate wearers, so then they can't really do anything. But keep one-shotting those clothies with ambush =)
------------------
hordewarrior2000:
Also eviscerate after the kidney shot (if they don't die from the hemos)
No, you're not doing it right, and hordewarrior2000 is incorrect. (Also, I'd do this as a reply if I knew how to. >_< )
I'm going to assume, from what you said, that you're PvP'ing. I'm also going to assume you're PvP'ing at 85. Feel free to respond and correct me if either of those are wrong.
Yes, you start in stealth. As a Sub rogue, you should always be in stealth unless you're in combat or flagrunning in a BG (Bad idea unless it's a dire emergency).
First, you use
预谋
on your target. This will give you an extra two combo points that you can use for either
切割
or
恢复
. As you should have a fair amount of Mastery (You don't need to reforge to Crit rating after about 35-ish percent, which you should get most, if not all, of it from straight Agi thanks to
邪恶召唤
and T11 Ruthless Glad's secondary stats (I'm assuming, again, that you're at least halfway geared)),
切割
is capable of lending a nice little DPS boost in fights (No matter what hordewarrior2000 claims, you're not going to be one-shotting ANYONE unless they're naked, with res sickness, etc. Period.) and also makes poison procs more likely (due to raw attack speed bonus). The
恢复
is an option because if you have
能量恢复
(which you should), then your
恢复
will cause you to regenerate energy, making it less energy-starving to use
背刺
, which should be your filler.
Second, you use
暗影步
to get close; however, due to the 70% movement speed increase (modified by
夜行者
to give you a grand total of ~187% movement speed for 3 seconds), there's no reason to use
闷棍
. In fact, there are reasons to
not
use it; first, it costs 35 Energy. That's the cost of a
出血
. So instead of
闷棍
'ing, just
暗影步
and then toss out
伏击
. The
打劫
procs from your
伏击
and
背刺
should let you keep up with them, especially if you have Minor Speed to boots (+8% movement speed). Second, it makes you lose the element of surprise. Unless your opponent literally just bought their account on Ebay five minutes ago, they know what
闷棍
is and they know it means you're there, so they have their PvP trink ready to pop, and if they're running with friends, they're probably calling them over via Skype, Vent, Mumble, etc.
Overall, you're going to use
出血
probably once or twice over the course of an entire encounter, unless you're being kited hard enough that you can't get behind them. A Sub rogue's PvP filler should be
背刺
, as it has the highest DER (Damage to Energy Ratio) of any non-stealth ability.
The reason why you use
出血
at all is because of two things.
动脉破裂
and
出血雕文
. This will save you the trouble of trying to maintain Rupture(for
动脉破裂
) on a target, which is difficult in most PvP scenarios.
Most of the time, the fight ->should<- go something like this:
Premeditation
Recuperate
Shadowstep
Ambush
Hemorrhage
(need to be behind them now);
Backstab
Backstab
Slice and Dice or Eviscerate, depending on how much HP they have. Only use Evis if it'll kill them. In all honesty, you shouldn't have them nearly dead yet, unless you have people helping you.
Backstab
Backstab
Hemorrhage
Backstab
Recuperate
If they're not close to or below 50% HP at this point, they're probably not killable by you, and you should Vanish and try to get away. "Cheap and cowardly" they say, I know, but an alive 'coward' rogue who can come back and kill them another time is more helpful than a dead one sitting in GY.
What a friend and I do is this:
We're both Sub rogues. (We also both use T13 PvE 2-set, which every rogue who does this trick needs)
We both set the other as focus.
Set up the following macro:
/cast Tricks of the Trade
/cast Shadowdance
And then we blow up the same target using Shadowdance and Ambush spam.
Here's a spec for people to play around with and tweak. Have fun.
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/search?q=t#fMhcZZfMfsducRho
And for hordewarrior2000's benefit:
PvE Sub is more rigorous than PvP Sub if you want to pull even halfway competitive DPS. Try it sometime.
As always, feel free to reply to my posts. Questions, comments and concerns are always welcomed, and I'll try to get to them as soon as I notice them.
EDIT: Added a link to a the site's talent calculator, with the basic Sub Rogue PvP spec loaded.
EDIT #2: Corrected several grammatical errors that occurred due to sleeplessness.
评论来自
174766
hiding in plain sight since 2004
评论来自
Wolfgenerator
Shadowmeld is like a low level vanish or extra vanish for night elf rogues. I love it, really helps in PvP when I kill someone and then am overwhelmed <3
评论来自
Wolfgenerator
If you think rogues are &*!@#$%s then roll one yourself, go sub, and try out some bgs. You'll soon change your mind.
评论来自
999179
how can a rouge us a ranged weapon?
评论来自
imri500
I would like to mention that by far, the best race for a rogue is either a night elf or a dwarf, the dwarf having some advantege.
The reason being very simply, a dwarf's racial, Stoneskin, gives extra survivabillity, which is always good, and, the critical abillity to remove bleed effects. Nothing more annoying then having a warrior rend you. As your now stuck out of stealth for the duration and nothing will help you.
But Stoneskin will. It allowes you to complete your immunity and get rid of ANY effect.
:D
Nightelves get Shadowmeld as their racial, which allowes them to enter a stationary state of stealth, lasting untill they move. This used to be amazing since there was a bug that made it so if you were sitting with Shadowmeld on, you would take no damage from DoTs. This has been fixed. but while Shadowmelded you are un-targetable, meaning if you have no DoTs on you, you can easily Shadowmeld into stealth.
Do remember that this is just my personal opinion, do not send me strongly worded letters about how your a blood elf rogue and your amazing and im a noob etc. <3
评论来自
baneozan
Is this somekind of a bug?
When i play my Rogue and Gouge or Blind an enemy pet in PvP and then i Vanish,the pet follows me and attacks me even tough i vanished o_O
Why?
评论来自
andypoop20
That moment when your in a battleground and you see a rogue stealth and walk towards you and you just know that your sooooooo %^&*ed
评论来自
darnauch
A rogue? Where?
评论来自
Nynaeve
Rogue
- Melee DPS
**COMMENT UNDER CONSTRUCTION**
At home in the shadows and skilled at disappearing from sight, the Rogues of Azeroth are most comfortable when acting in the background.
Twisting events to their favor, striking only when advantage is greatest: this is where a Rogue excels.
With their cunning tricks, physical abilities, and mastery of concealment and disguise, Rogues have no trouble finding employment as thieves, cutthroats, spies, and assassins.
-
Old WoW Site
Rogues are a "pure" class, capable of only Melee DPS.
You can make a Rogue with any Classic race except Tauren.
战士
is the only class for which you have more race/class combo options.
Quick Facts:
Roles:
Melee DPS
Talent Calculator:
Here on Wowhead
Faction:
both Alliance & Horde options
Races:
:
矮人
,
侏儒
,
人类
,
暗夜精灵
, :
兽人
,
巨魔
, &
亡灵
Crowd Control:
闷棍
Other Utility::
Armor Class:
皮甲
Weapons:
Daggers, Fist Weapons "Unarmed" (with training), Maces (with training), Swords (with training)
Ranged Slot:
Thrown, Bows (with training), Crossbows (with training), Guns (with training),
Resource:
能量
Combat Reagents:
Poisons, e.g.
致命药膏
Specialization Trees:
Assassination
Combat
Subtlety
Weapon Proficiency and Weapon Skill:
Weapon Training eventually allows Rogues to have the following types of weapon proficiency:
Ranged
弓
- (
)
弩
- (
), with training
枪械
- (
), with training
投掷
- (
投掷
), with training
Melee
匕首
-
双武器
, with training
单手锤
, with training
单手剑
, with training -
拳套
("Unarmed"), with training
Weapon Skill is a measure of you capability with and knowledge of how to use a certain type of weapon, and your weapon skill with a weapon type increases the more you use that weapon type.
Higher Weapon Skill means a higher chance to hit with that Weapon Type.
You can find your Weapon Skills listed with your other Skills (e.g. professions) by hitting the (default) Keybinding K.
Weapon Masters & Weapon Skill Training:
-- note:
双武器
is trained from Class Trainers, not Weapon Masters
Alliance:
伊琳尼雅·月火
-
达纳苏斯
弓
匕首
拳套
投掷
.
布里维夫·石拳
-
铁炉堡
拳套
,
枪械
,
单手斧
,
单手锤
,
.
比克斯
-
铁炉堡
弩
,
匕首
,
投掷
.
吴平
-
暴风城
弩
,
匕首
,
单手剑
,
.
Horde:
哈纳什
-
奥格瑞玛
弓
,
单手斧
,
投掷
,
.
塞尤克
-
奥格瑞玛
弓
,
匕首
,
拳套
,
单手斧
,
投掷
,
.
阿基巴德
-
幽暗城
弩
,
匕首
,
单手剑
,
.
安塞瓦
-
雷霆崖
枪械
,
单手锤
,
.
Gear:
Available Armor Classes for Rogue:
皮甲
- equippable, most likely to have your needed stats
布甲
- equippable, but sub par in every way for Rogues
Poisons:
毒药
Don't forget to brew and apply your poisons for extra damage and/or utility!
麻痹药膏
减速药膏
致命药膏
Poisons have multiple ranks, example:
致命药膏
-
致命药膏
-
致命药膏
-
致命药膏
-
致命药膏
-
评论来自
Rothia
TURN IN ONE
原始哈卡莱神像
TOGETHER WITH YOUR CLASS DOLL TO
无眠者赞扎
INSIDE
祖尔格拉布
AND YOU WILL RECIEVE THE FOLLOWING ENCHANT:
CLASS
ENCHANT
EFFECT
QUEST
IDOL
DOLL
德鲁伊
-------------------- druid
灵魂的安抚
+10 Stamina, +10 Intellect, +24 Healing
灵魂的安抚
原始哈卡莱神像
打孔的巫毒人偶
猎人
-------------------- hunter
猎鹰的召唤
+24 Ranged Attack Power, +10 Stamina, +1% Hit
猎鹰的召唤
原始哈卡莱神像
打孔的巫毒人偶
法师
-------------------- mage
魔法的视域
+18 Spell Power, +1% Hit
魔法的视域
原始哈卡莱神像
打孔的巫毒人偶
圣骑士
-------------------- paladin
调和的徽记
+10 Stamina, +7 Defense, +24 Healing
调和的徽记
原始哈卡莱神像
打孔的巫毒人偶
牧师
-------------------- priest
预言的光环
+10 Stamina, +4 MP5, +24 Healing
预言的光环
原始哈卡莱神像
打孔的巫毒人偶
潜行者
-------------------- rogue
死亡的拥抱
+28 Attack Power, +1% Dodge
死亡的拥抱
原始哈卡莱神像
打孔的巫毒人偶
萨满祭司
-------------------- shaman
巫毒的警觉
+15 Intellect, +13 Spell Power
巫毒的警觉
原始哈卡莱神像
打孔的巫毒人偶
术士
-------------------- warlock
不祥的妖术
+10 Stamina, +18 Spell Power
不祥的妖术
原始哈卡莱神像
打孔的巫毒人偶
战士
-------------------- warrior
力量的证明
+10 Stamina, +7 Defense, +15 Shield Block Value
力量的证明
原始哈卡莱神像
打孔的巫毒人偶
(The Idol drop from
妖术师金度
and
血领主曼多基尔
while the dolls can be found in
厄运巫毒堆
s. Note that you need to reach friendly or higher reputation with the
赞达拉部族
to recieve the quest.)
评论来自
Rothia
Rest in peace Byron Bernstein AKA Reckful May 8, 1989 – July 2, 2020
评论来自
Rothia
The following quests can be picked up from
工匠威尔海姆
at the Light's Hope Chapel in the
东瘟疫之地
by completing
奥玛里恩的手册
which you get from
大工匠奥玛里恩
.
He's trapped in a cage in the first room of trash in the Deathknight Wing inside
纳克萨玛斯
.
You will be able to choose from a total of 13 different patterns depending on your professions:
裁缝
(4),
制皮
(6) or
锻造
(3).
✅ Quests (except legs and cloak) are only available for:
法师
,
牧师
,
术士
Item /
裁缝
Drop / Quest / Pattern
冰冻符文
符文布卷
水之精华
铁网蛛丝
蓝宝石
Gold
银色黎明
冰川头饰
--- head
收割者戈提克
: 26%
冰川披风
冰川披风
5
4
2
4
❌
200
Exalted
冰川外衣
冰川外衣
8
8
6
4
❌
300
Exalted
冰川护腕
冰川护腕
4
2
2
2
❌
200
Neutral
冰川手套
冰川手套
5
4
4
2
❌
200
Neutral
冰川护腿
我只会唱这一首歌......
2
❌
2
❌
2
30
Neutral
冰川披风
--- cloak
图样:冰川披风
5
4
2
4
❌
Free
Revered
冰川外衣
--- vest
图样:冰川外衣
7
8
6
8
❌
Free
Revered
冰川护腕
--- wrists
图样:冰川护腕
4
2
2
4
❌
Free
(
海达希亚水元素
)
冰川手套
--- gloves
图样:冰川手套
5
4
4
4
❌
Free
Revered
.
.
.
✅ Quests (except legs) are only available for:
德鲁伊
,
潜行者
Item /
制皮
Drop / Quest / Pattern
冰冻符文
魔化皮
水之精华
熟化毛皮
铁网蛛丝
蓝宝石
Gold
银色黎明
北极头盔
--- head
收割者戈提克
: 9%
北极肩垫
--- head
黑女巫法琳娜
: 19%
北极外套
--- vest
北极外套
8
16
5
5
❌
❌
300
Exalted
北极护腕
---bracers
北极护腕
4
12
3
3
❌
❌
200
Neutral
北极手套
北极手套
5
12
3
3
❌
❌
200
Neutral
北极护腿
我只会唱这一首歌......
2
❌
2
❌
❌
2
30
Neutral
北极外套
--- vest
图样:北极外套
7
16
2
4
4
❌
Free
Revered
北极护腕
--- wrists
图样:北极护腕
4
12
2
2
4
❌
Free
(
海达希亚水元素
)
北极手套
--- gloves
图样:北极手套
5
12
2
3
4
❌
Free
Revered
.
.
.
✅ Quests (except legs) are only available for:
猎人
,
萨满祭司
Item /
制皮
Drop / Quest / Pattern
冰冻符文
厚蝎鳞
水之精华
熟化毛皮
铁网蛛丝
蓝宝石
Gold
银色黎明
寒鳞罩帽
--- head
肮脏的希尔盖
: 20%
寒鳞肩甲
--- head
格罗布鲁斯
: 22%
寒鳞胸甲
----- vest
寒鳞胸甲
8
24
7
5
❌
❌
300
Exalted
寒鳞护腕
----- wrist
寒鳞护腕
4
16
5
3
❌
❌
200
Neutral
寒鳞护手
----- gloves
寒鳞护手
5
16
5
3
❌
❌
200
Neutral
寒鳞护腿
---------- legs
我只会唱这一首歌......
2
❌
2
❌
❌
2
30
Neutral
寒鳞胸甲
--- vest
图样:寒鳞胸甲
7
24
2
4
4
❌
Free
Exalted
寒鳞护腕
--- wrists
图样:寒鳞护腕
4
16
2
2
4
❌
Free
(
海达希亚水元素
)
寒鳞护手
--- gloves
图样:寒鳞护手
5
16
2
3
4
❌
Free
Revered
.
.
.
✅ Quests (except legs) are only available for:
圣骑士
,
战士
Item /
锻造
Drop / Quest / Plans
冰冻符文
瑟银锭
奥金锭
水之精华
蓝宝石
Gold
银色黎明
破冰头盔
--- head
肮脏的希尔盖
: 11%
破冰肩铠
--- head
黑女巫法琳娜
: 17%
破冰胸甲
--- vest
破冰胸甲
8
16
2
4
❌
300
Exalted
破冰护腕
---bracers
破冰护腕
4
12
2
2
❌
200
Neutral
破冰护手
gauntles
破冰护手
5
12
2
2
❌
200
Neutral
破冰护腿
--- icy scale legs
我只会唱这一首歌......
2
❌
❌
2
2
30
Neutral
破冰胸甲
--- chest
设计图:破冰胸甲
7
16
2
4
❌
Free
Exalted
破冰护腕
--- bracers
设计图:破冰护腕
4
12
2
2
❌
Free
(
海达希亚水元素
)
破冰护手
--- gloves
设计图:破冰护手
5
12
2
2
❌
Free
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