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评论来自 6839

Ambush = (((Weapon Damage) + (Attack Power/14)*1.7)*2.5 + 290)*1.2

评论来自 18555

Agree with sensou. I am speced as Subtetly and often crit 2000-2400 with ambush on spellcasters(mages/walocks/priests) unbuffed.

And my current weapon is http://www.wowhead.com/?item=18840

The crits will become much higher with the new TBC daggers, so this spec sensou mentioned is indeed a nice one against spellcasters.

评论来自 56651

I have a lvl 70 human rogue and spec 16/0/45, i dont seem to lack dps after my ambush. I can ambush up to 4.2k and backstab up to 3.2k on cloth wearers. Opening a fight with 7k+ damage done in the first 2-3sec is quite amusing. If you dont believe me check arnory "Jouninrogue" I have over 1700ap and wielding gladiators daggers.

评论来自 mortenmoulder

i just critted 522 with this on a level 11 shaman, i got 2x crusader = 200 strength and then he pressed X and i critted 522 on him!!

评论来自 Wildhorn

Formula is:

((Weapon Damage) + (Attack Power/14)*1.7)*2.5 + 335

To this you can add

*1.2 (Opportunity)
*1.1 (Master of Subtlety)
*1.2 (Shadowstep)
*1.02 (Murder)

With S2 dagger (175 average damage), 1.5k AP and the 4 talents = 2k damage.

2k damage with a 40% + w/e you have crit chance, a 5 rogue team could gank 1 player, CloS + sprint and run away to hide, then repeat and be very affective in arena.

评论来自 36395

A great opening move to use on squishy cloth-armor targets. This is probably the best damage-dealing Rogue ability in terms of burst damage.

评论来自 85727

My ambush often crits 4k+...I have the full sub build (clothies of course, i LOVE 3 shotting locks)

评论来自 faia

bug on ambush tooltip that say you must have daggers but only need dagger (only need 1 dagger in mainhand)

评论来自 necos

just thought if something for lvl 58ish. using premed ambush for 4 cb and huge crit, since i have master of sub, imp amb and oppurtunity, then imp gauge, then imp evi or backstab-->imp evi. should produce some good dmg. and if they aint dead by then u'll likely have 25 energy from relentless and combopoint from reckless (since i'm going for CB evi at 64) to get a start a kidneyshot combo after this.

ppl won't have sick hp after just entering outland after all, and they win't have any resilance either :P

edit- at least i'll try it at 59 BG XD

edit 2. this the build btw http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhecoVzsMZhZE0csMhRsoo. hemo and 2 seal fate for combo generation if they ain't dead by evi

评论来自 16310

Without imp. Ambush, I have found that it doesn't do impressive damage at all. Around 700 non crit

Look at Wildhorn's post below, you (relatively) easily get ~1500 damage pre-armor mitigation and pre-crit with Ambush. If you Ambush for 700 then you're up against players with too much armor!

评论来自 158331

This is probably the best move to start with if you are soloing mobs a few lvls higher than you because this is a huge amount of damage for the a lvl 18

评论来自 Rarehunter

I play a 39 twink rogue, and the only time I ever switch to a dagger (I'm a hemo sub spec rogue) to Ambush is if I see a clothie sitting down. It's fun to see the huge crit come up and eat like half your enemy's life. Especially if the clothie is a mage, since mages can blink out of stuns.

评论来自 201988

Yes, you can use Ambush with a MH Dagger and OH Sword/Mace/Fist/Dagger. With the appropriate talents, an Ambush crit can knock a mob down to about 50%. In BGs, it's even possible to pull an Ambush + Backstab and finish off a clothie right there. There have been many times where I've opened up (At level 39, for example) with Ambush doing around 850-900 crit, and a backstab for around 250 (or 525ish crit) which can easily kill a cloth or leather based class.

For endgame, however, if you're speccing Subtlety you're probably going to go for the Shadowstep builds, where you'll want to use a Sword/Mace/Fist OH and MH setup, thus having no need for talents such as Improved Ambush, Opportunity, etc.

评论来自 Phurox

I really hope, that Ambush gets back in WoW again. It was pure pwnage in old days, killing with ambush. Nowadays it does too little damage...

Rogues should wear daggers! Not other weapons!

评论来自 222540

WOAH! hold on, do u see the tooltip? It says Requires a dagger in the main hand however it also says Requires Daggers... does that mean that we need 2 daggers to ambush now? PLEASE SAY NO!

评论来自 251740

Is Ambush a viable opener for rogues again, or is garrote still a better option? I've been speccing for bleeds and opening with garrote and seeing some nice damage, but it's still not lasting its full duration for arenas (with focus fire, the target drops pretty fast).
Anyone have any recorded numbers for what this is hitting for at 80 with some 143dps+ daggers?

评论来自 158969

if use sword in MH and dagger in OH this macro is pretty good
it equip ur dagger in MH and switch back after u done ambush

#showtooltip
/cast ambush
/script PickupInventoryItem(16); PickupInventoryItem(17);

评论来自 148775

PTR 3.0.8 - Build 9464

Ambush now awards 2 combo points. (Up from 1)

评论来自 73093

As an aside, ambush was the ONLY combo move capable of a critical hit (and thus affected by lethality) anyways.

评论来自 Banehallow

Openers are combo moves

No. I haven't seen a guy using SS, Hemo, Mutilate or Backstab as opener yet. Maybe you did, Who knows!

评论来自 Malvard

Ambush is great for ganks and we all know it. But there is a way to make it even better

You see, I noticed something today. Vanish is not on the global cooldown.
I made this macro

#showtooltip
/cast ambush
/cast vanish

Found a levlel 49 druid in Tanaris and used it on him.

It looked as if he died as i cast vanish.
It works. You ambush the target and cast vanish at the same time, virtually never even leaving stealth.

Give it a try.

评论来自 Darthdavo

This Macro goes brilliantally with this skill if your a combat rogue!

All you need is a dagger, two swords.

/equipslot 16 Dagger of Pwnage
/cast Ambush
/equipslot 16 Mace of Pwnage

Change "Dagger of Pwnage" and "Mace of Pwnage" to your current weapon, But keep the 16 there! or else it wont work!

Change to if you use swords.

Source: http://www.wowwiki.com/Useful_macros/Rogue#Equip_Dagger_and_Ambush

I do not take this macro as my own, i am merely redirecting it to this web page.

评论来自 Darthdavo

评论来自 223759

I'm currently lvling a rogue, with the BoA stuff, got the 1h sword and dagger...
Anyways... the sword is "Main Hand" only, wondering if some1 knew to make a macro to throw that sword to my bag, equip my dagger from offhand to mainhand, cast ambush and then equip my sword back to main hand and dagger back to off hand

评论来自 309000

How high crits can I expect to get with 3.5k raw AP and 213 dagger?

评论来自 116979

How come there aren't any posts about the damage output?

Let's say you're shadowdance-spec'd with übergear.
Furious Gladiator's Spike + 4000 AP is roughly 920 max damage.

920 x (2,75 + 907) = 3437
With all sub-talents accounted for + Shadowstep activated...
Hit : 3437 x 1,5 = 5155
Crit: 5155 x 1,5 = 7733 (on someone with 0 armor and 0 resilience)

Let's say you're meeting another rogue with 5500 armor (25% reduction) and 750 resilience (-20% critdmg)

Hit: 5155 x 0,75 = 3866
Crit: 3866 x 1,3 = 5025

Now you know why everyone's mutilate-spec.

评论来自 44002

Ok, I understand that this seems like a great opener and I think that it might be. Why would this not be a better opener though?

(From Stealth)
Sap
Garrote (does not break Sap for 3 seconds, and ignores armor)
leave attack
ambush

a macro would look something like this:

/cast Garrote
/stopattack
/cast Ambush

评论来自 425234

One of the most beautiful things that Rogues can do :) *proud Rogue*

评论来自 350778

i just love the new animation of ambush and backstab, that purple mangle thing.

评论来自 165543

a way 2 kill a pesky healer is 2 do this stealth up 2 the healer ambush vanish ambush again if he's not dead yet eviscerate 2 finish him off with 4 combo points

评论来自 MarioMetroid

This ability is being changed in patch 4.0 so that it can be used with any weapon equipped (however daggers will be granted the highest coefficient).

评论来自 Vip3r

It's feel weird to use ambush with any weapon, sure it's a buff to rogues and will do more damage with daggers but...

This spell is the true dagger rogue's best friend and signature since the game was released, always was and it should always be. I don't think Ambush should be used with all weapons considering that you have to sacrifice the sustained dps from swords in favor for burst damage (at least as subtlety) .

I know I might get downrate but Ambush offered me and many fellow rogues good times like back in the days in vanilla with peridition's blade. :)

评论来自 603052

Agree, Ambush should stay only with daggers. Otherwise "dagger rogue" would be almost dead. Backstab and Ambush are the only things a real dagger rogue (aka do it from behind) should use.

评论来自 610943

Who doesn't like getting one of these in the behind...

评论来自 590321

Is this a bug, or is it supposed to be 275%, because in-game it says it causes 330% to me.

评论来自 Vip3r

That's because you have the Opportunity () talent which increase Ambush damage.

评论来自 hippossa

its a bit pointless to say, but u can be ambushed (or "jumped") with any weapon
to get STABbed in the back though, thats a dagger specialty
swords are more thrusts through the chest than a stab

but yeah, u can definitely get 'bushed with a mace or a club... a blackjack.. crap like that

评论来自 381340

This ability is stupidly overpowered in the 10-19 and 20-29 BGs. This crits for about 600 on cloth, and with 50% increased crit chance from Improved Ambush, this crits a lot.

Considering that most casters have somewhere around 700-900 health, this is a huge chunk right off the bat.

评论来自 582957

nerfed quite a bit

评论来自 gorden23

This is my entire opener.
Stealth
Premeditation
Shadowstep
Ambush (I have the glyph too just in case <3 )
5-point-evicerate
That rips about half of a mail user's hp away most of the time.
(Don't forget about certain talents I've gotten to make this opener rape)

评论来自 381082

Big change made to this ability in the new patch.

It can now be used with any melee weapon, no more dagger requierment (although dmg is buffed while wielding dagger).
It seems it can also be learned at level 8, thereby making it the first stealth-opener a rogue learns.
Ambush

评论来自 Electrospell

Another silly unstable change in 4.0.1. I use to lvl in bgs just because i love PvP and have already done most of the PvE on my other characters.
But here is the deal, most people at;
lvl 10-19 got about 600hp+ and ambush hits for 600-700.
lvl 20-29 got about 1000hp+ and ambush hits for 1000-1200.
lvl 30-39 got about 1500hp+ and ambush hits for 2000-2800.

That is not even fair, the team with rogues at their flag/base spawn is almost a 100% win if they aint afk.

评论来自 RAWRburgers

if any thing rogues should be buffed...

i be trollin

评论来自 Adrassius

Yep, nothing like the Shadowstep, Ambush combo one-shotting you a couple of dozen times to make you leave BGs as soon as you realise the other team has four or more rogues (which they all seem to since the patch.) Wow Blizz, thanks for screwing up low-level PVP!

评论来自 Rach3l

I know that, as of 4.0, ambush does increased damage when a dagger is equipped. But does the dagger have to be in your main hand? The ability itself does not specify. I would prefer to have my dagger in my offhand but still take advantage of the increased damage, if possible.

评论来自 flcl92

If anyone was wondering, it's worth it to use a dagger with this ability over another type of one-handed weapon. I did all the of the math required to find it out and if anyone wants me to post the formula, I can.

I also calculated average damage before DRs with the fastest speed dagger versus the slowest speed 1h weapon, and the dagger ended up coming on top.

评论来自 jackpayback

I don't know how ambush will be in Cata(released today lol), but I strongly suggest not to rely on it too heavily. As said several patches before, it simply does not do enough dmg - even with massive AP, resilience just wiggles it down.
Either rely on its double CP generation or any other opener, but don't put too much hopes up for that good ol burst dmg. As far as I can see, it's GAWN! ^^

评论来自 parazyte

Please post some calculations proving daggers are better. This is what I came up with:
-Assuming 4000 AP (doesn't really matter) I take one sword and one dagger of equal DPS ignoring all other stats
-Normalisation value for swords = 2,4
-Normalisation value for daggers = 1,7

Fang of Twilight (Sword, 521.8 DPS, Speed 2,6)
Normalized sword damage = /2 + 2,4*4000/14 = 2042,214
=> Ambush = 1,9 * = 4579

Vicous Gladiator's Shanker (Dagger, 521.8 DPS, Speed 1,8)
Normalized dagger damage = /2 + 1,7*4000/14 = 1425,214
=> Ambush = 1,9 * *1,447 = 4930

In this particular case the dagger would do ~8% more damage. If you are wondering why the formula I use isn't at first glance the same as tooltip - please consider what 190*1,447 amounts too and compare with tooltip. Try my values you will get the same numbers.

If you completely factor out AP daggers are doing ~10% more damage. I e the more AP you have the more the curve smoothens out. 8000 AP => 7% more dmg, 12000 AP => 6% more dmg (non-linear ofc).

Weapon speed favors a slow MH weapon. This is because the normalised damage doesnt care about weapon speed only the min-max of the tooltip and slow weapons have higher min-max. All normalization is doing is weighting in how much AP goes into the equation.

评论来自 765384

In PvP, I actually love opening using Premeditation, Shadowstep and then Ambush. This already clears a huge chunk of your opponent's health. Then I use Hemorrhage to cause my target to bleed from Glyph of Hemorrhage. From now on you will deal 10% more damage due to this subtletly talent Sanguinary Vein. Then you should have 5 combo points and spend them on Recuperate. This will give you 12 energy a tick if you have the talent Energetic Recovery from the subtletly tree. Then quickly cast Shadow Dance, Cheap shot your target so that it can not move, run behind it, and spam Ambush til it drops. If not dead at the end of your 8 second shadow dance (yeah, it is 8 seconds, because you did buy the Glyph of Shadow Dance), you can either Eviscerate or Kidney Shot.

This kills 90% of open world PvP targets within 15 seconds. Arena matches might last slightly longer.

Have fun! :)

Edit: Energy ticks are good for being able to use more Ambushes during Shadow Dance, and 10% more damage is good for having your Ambushes each hit 10% harder ;)

评论来自 druidsrus

does the dagger have to be equipped in your main hand for the damage bonus? or could you have a slower harder hitting sword in main and fast dagger in offhand? im new to rogues

评论来自 502046

just a bit confused
on wow it says ambush is 152% + 33
but on wow head it says (190 * 1.447)% plus (18 * 190 / 100 * 1.447)
what gives?

评论来自 Hanz0

Interresting trick :

For those leveling in Subtlety if you SStep then ambush a mob which has a Pet like lets say Coldarra Spellbinder and the ambush kills it, which in like 90% of cases it does, the pet vanishes and you wont have to fight it ^^

Keep this in mind for faster leveling :)

评论来自 durok

Can't use it with a Fishing Pole.

评论来自 1132470

The scaling of this ability from 1 to 90, totally make sense.

评论来自 1293468

In WoD, ambush can be cast although you are not standing behind your target.

评论来自 11unone11

I wanted to make such a powerful strike, which would end the tide of a battle from the beginning.

I wondered, how to make it so extremely mighty, so the enemy can't respond since it's used and can't prevent its use.

And here is what I found. The AMBUSH MAX POWER strategy.

First move - choose the Sub spec. And, here we go!

Just find a way to stack Expose Armor 3 times and control the guy till u can do your Stealth.
I use Cheap Shot as an opener (u better have THIS glyph), then stack Expose Armor three times and use Blind and Slice and Dice or Recuperate (if the target hit me once or twice).

Sometimes, when patient just becomes sick, using random trinkets, bubbles or whatever, you need to have some patience... :)
You need it badly, because the main part is on its' way!

/castsequence Stealth, Premeditation, Garrote, Vanish, Ambush

Key talents: Cloak and Dagger and Nightstalker.

U better use Wound poison if you don't want to spend one glyph slot for THIS ONE. It will also do what it is supposed to do - reduce the enemy healing so he can't be a tricky piggy.

If the guy is starting to behave badly before the last stack of Expose Armor, then rebound, pick Subterfuge talent and try again. But you will lose the power of the shot, so, try to take control back.

Even if target withstood it, you will still have THIS one (I hope) with some bunch of combo points, so u can try another time. This is your weapon against bubbles and some crazy defence buffs.

You can also add Evasion and Cloak of Shadows somewhere is macro, click by yourself or create a macro for these 2 spells... Just to feel safe.

It's not a gyroball or rocket science, you just tap-tap-tap the macro.

Don't use it in the Arena, if you don't wanna die and upset your teammates!

Just click a macro button several times, you can close your eyes. But don't forget to open them to see the number Mr. Ambush dropped on yo screen!

Even airborne target can be killed. With this epic move, even impossible is possible!

THIS is the example of what happens when you use it on 62 lvl feral form druid when you have about 70% of max 70 lvl gear.

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价值：2
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[Do Not Sheath]
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[Initiates Combat (Enabled Auto-Attack)]
[Require All Targets]
[Discount Power On Miss]
[Initiate Combat Post-Cast (Enables Auto-Attack)]
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[Allow Class Ability Procs]

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