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评论来自 Tempo

Laugh if you like, but slam is handy with a slow two-hander. I like it more than Mortal Strike. It's got a low rage cost, and after the 2.0.1 patch, the Improved talent costs just two points and reduces the cast time by a full second. If you are sitting at 100 rage, chaining six or seven Slams in the span of just a few seconds is obscene.

评论来自 7409

Although the concept of casting in combat (outside of using First Aid) makes almost any warrior cringe, Slam is a very effective raid or party DPS tool, as it causes no additional threat and results in one melee swing between 0.5 and 1.5 seconds, depending on spec. Try it for a replacement of HS when your threat is hovering a bit too high, you'll be pleasantly surprised.

评论来自 24199

Does slam reset the attack timer now?

评论来自 24712

Yes, it resets the attack timer.

评论来自 29800

Hmm, the Wowhead explanation states that the weapon damage, when calculated for the purposes of Slam, is not "normalised." Does that mean that it is much better to use a Slow 3.8s 2her and just spam it like no tommorrow?

Btw, I have analysed Slam v Mortal Strike. I am assuming that you can spam it. Please correct me if I'm wrong...

Assumptions:
1. Slam is NOT talented to 0.5s casting time.
2. Weapon damage (W) and speed are identical (weapon speed = 3.3)
3. We track the damage over 6 seconds.
4. Attack powers are identical (1400).
5. Rage requirements are fulfilled.
6. No crits occur.

Mortal Strike-Hit-Mortal Strike
In 6.0s, you get 1 mortal strike at 0s, 1 normal swing at 3.3s, 1 mortal strike at 6s.

Damage:
Mortal Strike 1: W + 210
Normal Swing: W + 1400/14
Mortal Strike 2: W + 210

Total = 3W + 520 @ 60 - X
(X = amount of rage you gain from the interim Normal Swing)
Total damage per rage point is more than 0.05W + 8.667
Exact damage per rage point = (3W + 520)/(60 - X)

Slam Spam
In 6.0s, you get 5 slams at 0s, 1.5s, 3.0s, 4.5s, 6.0s

Damage:
Slam: W + 140

Total = 4W + 560 @ 75 rage
Exact damage per rage point = 0.053W + 7.467

Sounds to me that when Slam is UNTALENTED, MS is likely to outdamage Slam overall. However, if Slam is TALENTED, you could take advantage of an interim swing AND spam it 5 times in the same period.

评论来自 29800

In conclusion, I believe that Slam outdamages MS significantly if, and only if, it is talented with Improved Slam.

评论来自 Asmael

Global Cooldown... You can use Slam only once each 1.5 sec... Talent only helps to cast it uninterupted. (Well not totaly uninterupdet but more easy :P )

评论来自 41823

Slight error in your math: When it says "weapon damage" it means counting attack power (that's what gets normalized to 3.3). Your math says that only the autoattack swings get damage from attack power. Attack power is already part of W, and you're adding it in again.
Your numbers would come out to 3W+420 vs 4W + 560, meaning slam spam outdamages although at increased cost. Efficiency depends on relative value of W.

评论来自 Xelopheris

In the example above, he was showing a weapon with 3.3 speed, which is the same speed that 2h attacks are normalized to. 'W' can be used to represent autoattack damage and normalized instant attack damage.

That said, assuming a 3.3 speed weapon, and slam in your rotation, with .2 second lag, it would take 4 seconds to get an autoattack then a slam.

You also made a big mistake with your MS example. You should always end a cycle where it can be immediately repeated. Here's an example cycle:
Autoattack MS Autoattack MS Autoattack MS Autoattack etc.
Here's the portion you took: MS Autoattack MS

You left 6 seconds where MS is on cooldown unmentionned.

You also neglected talent spec into anything. An MS warrior has 2h damage talent, impale, weapon specialization talent, possibly blood frenzy, all sorts of stuff. The fury war has improved berserker stance, bloodthirst, precision, deathwish, and still able to get 2 points into imp 2h damage and get full impale.

评论来自 Skulver

If you are using a decent 2 hander (about a 3.6 speed) it is easy to see that slam should beat Mortal strike for damage per rage.

In perfect situation you give up 3 seconds worth of autoattacks (0.833 autoattacks) and gain 2 autoattacks + 360 damage. Getting 1.166 autoattacks + 360 damage for your 30 rage.

For the same rage mortal strike gives 1 autoattack + 210 damage.

Now, lets take a sample 36 second time period (assuming always sufficient rage available).

Now, suppose you do Autoattack->slam->autoattack->slam 12 times in a row.

It will take you 12 * (3.6 + 1.5) = 61.2 seconds and you will do:
24 autoattacks + 2160 damage total.

In 61.2 seconds you can do 17 autoattacks, lets add in 6 mortal strikes as well (to use an equal amount of rage to the 12 slams).

So using mortal strike you do:
23 autoattacks + 1260 damage total.

It is clear here that for the same time used slam does more damage than using the same rage cost of mortal strike with slam unimproved if, and its a big if, you have perfect slam usage.

It does however seem reasonable that with 2/2 improved slam you could achieve a level of efficiency surpassing that listed here.

When Flurry procs however you lose some efficiency on slam. since that 0.5 seconds is a greater proportion of the time to autoattack. Assuming flurry was always active I suspect slam would still win out but it would be much closer.

评论来自 47182

does this stun or break spells?

评论来自 skywyze

No. Consider it speeding up a slow weapon. With Improved Slam, you can go from 3.8 attack speed to 0.5, greatly increasing your damage output. It's a bit heavy on the rage side though, and it requires some timing to pull off right, but I've seen some people using builds where this actually pays off way more than heroic strike.

Quite gear and talent dependant though.

评论来自 Colossis

I don't think a mob or opposing player will survive 24 auto attacks + 12 MS/Slam assuming you will use rend and overpowered whenever possible.

评论来自 Carighan

Slam is fascinating.
It has a 1.5s casttime, it works like Huntershots (if you know how to time it, you don't reset your swingtimer at all), it deals massive damage.

Effectively, it shortens your recoil time, significantly. Use a very slow 2Her (makes it easier to time), and then a mod which shows your swingtimer to know when to press it. Press it right after the swingtimer starts again after a white swing. It should finish casting + hit before the swingtimer runs through, resulting in not losing the white hit.
(same concept as Hunter's Steady Shot)

It is mostly a PvE skill though. Even with ImpSlam, you need to stand still for 0.5seconds, which you more often than not can't in PvP.

评论来自 36881

I'm thinking about using a hybrid spec, having both Slam and MS when doing PvE dps. The weapon is Thunder, the Macesmith two-hander.

Now, the thing that's been bothering me a bit.. will Slam procc the Mace Specialization stun thing and more importantly, will it procc on the Chance on Hit thing on the upgraded versions of Thunder?

评论来自 9035

Use slam. Heroic Strike isn't normalized because it's an on-next-swing attack, but even so, that is one white swing that you won't be getting rage from, instead of just delaying your next one by 1.5 secs, you're delaying your rage gen. by a full swing.

评论来自 coredumperror

Ok, so I've never played a warrior, so if I sound like a complete newb... I am. But I'm a huge theory crafter, and there's a dw fury war in my guild that was talking about specing imp slam at one point.

Since I'm not a warrior, and I don't remember the entire conversation, I'm wondering: would there be any reason at all that he'd spec imp slam and continue DWing, rather than going MS? I don't remember the specifics of what he was saying, but sounded like he wanted to continue DWing, and benefit from effectively getting an extra MH swing at the cost of only .5 seconds (by starting slam right after each white attack). Would this work for PvE dps? Does slam reset your OH swing timer?

评论来自 9498

Slam cast-time is interruptible. Slam damage is not normalized (slower weapons gain more AP bonus). Slam does reset swing timer.

With an addon like quartz you can time your slam immediately after a weapon swing to get in an extra attack at the cost of 0.5-1.5s for a cheap 15 rage and no additional threat.

In PvE, Slam out-performs Heroic Strike for DPS output. Heroic Strike also costs 15 rage (9-12 depending on talents) but will ALSO eat the rage gain AND white damage of your next attack. Slam effectively does the same job, but only costs 0.5-1.5s to do the damage instead of a full weapon-swing. Theoretically speaking, any weapon above 0.5/1.5s will gain more benefit from slam over heroic strike given that you can cast it immediately after a swing timer, and moreso for any 3.0+ speed 2h weapon

Slam-Spamming
Since Warriors have a GCD of 1.5s, a non-talented Slam is viable for spamming if you need to liquidate your rage for DPS, and it will do so more effeciently than HS and with less aggro. Here, there is no benefit to have the talent.

More Info
Can be found here at WoWWiki. Hopefully this has been an educational post for all 2h DPS warriors to raise their effectiveness in raids.

评论来自 56773

That all looks ok, except for the fact that Slam cast time is UN-interruptable (I'm assuming that's what you meant to say)

It used to be interruptable, but they changed that a while back.

评论来自 64436

Using a 6 second time period makes no sense to calculate two MS's, as you should use a 5.9 second one and have the thing "loop"; otherwise after the last MS in the cycle you won't be back at the start.

评论来自 64436

Remember that Slam is also affected by impale so the extra "white hit + damage" you'll gain is clearly more than a white hit with that much bonus damage, given a 2h warrior's huge chance to crit in raids.

评论来自 93626

I think it is a good skill to use when you level up, because of the lack of instant skills, you have to use heroic strike. Until you get mortal strike or blood thrist, this should be the best rage dumping skill.

note:
However slam dps is quite advanced for a leveling warrior.

评论来自 93626

I think slam could be the best spec to level up, especially in the 30-40 bracket, because this is the best rage dump skill in these levels. The is going from 15 rage heroic strike for 40 dmg to 15 rage for 150 dmg at lvl 30.

As I am leveling up my second warrior, I use improved slam in my lvl 30's. The difference between lvl 29 dw heroic strike and lvl 30 imp slam is quite obvious, using imp slam while leveling is like using deep thunder to farm lvl 64 mobs.

The usual rotation I use at 30's is,
charge, when you have stunned the mob, wait for 0.5 sec, press slam, then a white hit and slam will hit the mob in the same time.

i.e.
charge, white, slam, white slam....

However you need to have some rage before you charge to do this, so I dont use execute usually. I am using mixture of blue weapon and green armor, and I can generate around 15 rage for every white hit versus a same lvl mob.

Slam is also good for lvl 70 farming (even for prot ), the rotation is usually,
charge, vr, white, (these 3 strikes at the same time), ms, white, slam, white slam...

If you are prot, just skip the ms, amazing dmg vs devastate.

评论来自 129537

Can anyone confirm if the cast time is reduced by flurry, bloodlust, or haste rating? (like hunter steadyshot / aimedshot)

评论来自 28138

The casting time is not affected by flurry. I don't know about plain haste rating as i didn't have any when i used slam.

评论来自 81465

I'm still a bit confuzzled as to wether slam is supposed to go off right after or right before an auto-attack...can someone clarify?

评论来自 40642

Right after. Slam resets your auto-attack timer which can be said to be the same as "losing" the time that has passed since the previous auto-attack, and losing 0.1 seconds is better than losing 3.5.

评论来自 81465

Are there any mods that show your swing timer?

评论来自 24111

General idea for using Slam in PvE is to do "Slam rotation". This trick works well with weapons over 3.0 speed. If you only have enough Rage you should be able to do this:

Auto Attack -> Slam -> Instant (i.e. MS or WW)
-------------------------------\/-------------------------------------
Auto Attack -> Slam -> Instant (i.e. MS or WW)
-------------------------------\/-------------------------------------
Auto Attack -> Slam -> Instant (i.e. MS or WW)

Works great if you can time it and if you haven't got problems with Rage. Dig it on WoWwiki's Slam section for more info, this is just a preview.

评论来自 Solassan

Slam is an important part of this spec's dps. Slam resets your swing timer so it's best timed directly after a white hit (in order to minimize time wasted on a reset swing). Get an addon such as Quartz to help if you have latency problems, practice on some Blasted Lands mobs for Slam timing. Learn to use Slam. Generally this cycle is:
Auto -> Slam -> MS -> Auto -> Slam -> WW -> Auto -> Slam -> MS -> Auto -> Slam -> Instant
Battle Shout or Demoralizing Shout for example can be used as the last instant in the rotation. This rotation is commonly referred to as 4xSlam, 2xMS, 1xWW. One thing to note about Slam usage, if your attack speed goes below 2.5 seconds, drop Slam from your cycle and use Heroic Strike to manage your rage. Another option is to simply Slam only when Mortal Strike and Whirlwind are both on cooldown. This requires some practice and a feel for the play-style.

Stolen from: Elitist Jerks

评论来自 180212

Can Slam cause a Windfury proc? Now that would be awesome.

评论来自 104026

can anyone confirm that slam no longer resets the swing timer in wotlk?

did I just randomly hear this from someone?

评论来自 138573

Slam consume charge from flurry?

评论来自 195264

well i have one question:why nobody as PvP warrior uses Improved Slam? it should greatly cut ur casting time so i dont undertand it or maybe it idoestn depends much...

评论来自 196486

Alright guys, one question. Do you guys agree that slam should now be an arms skill? considering the fact that it will only shave down a tiny bit of attack delay.

Say we all Spec fury and all have Titan's Grip, we would attack every rotation like so: (with 2 2handers with speeds of 3.6secs each.

So MH happens once every 3.6 secs and so does OH,

So DPS should be:

1.8secs MH (say 4k)
1.8secs OH(say 1k)

Slam:1.5secs MH (say 4k)
Slam: MH 1.5secs (say 4k)
(it's affective but not if you dont have Titan's Grip in my opinion.)

Now check it. slam would be affective a tiny bit still but still not as affective as imp HS, better rage usage.

Please comment I need help in how to spec. :)

评论来自 Worry

In beta, Slam suspends your swing timer instead of resetting it. This means that aside from always using your other DPS moves first, there is no "wrong" time to slam.

评论来自 decibal

Most of this is useless now, because as of 3.0 Slam suspends your swing timer instead of resetting it.

评论来自 115427

Please rate decibal's comment up. Everything posted above is irrelevant as of patch 3.0.

评论来自 261390

I wish they would change slam to an instant cast melee stun, and change the talent concussion blow to compensate protection warriors.