News Roundup: Titan Runestone Droprates, Flex Raiding Discussion

由 perculia 发表于 2013/06/10，11:13

Flex is intended for players that are interested in getting weekly groups together for fun and some challenge, but who also don't want super-strict raiding requirements.

Unlike Normal modes, you can invite friends from your Real ID and Battle.net tag to Flex raids.

Removing Tier Tokens from flex raids is something that's worth considering, as raiders might feel forced to run LFR, Normal, and Flex at the start of a new tier otherwise for bonuses.

Letting people zone in and clear Flex trash with 8 people is something the devs are considering. This would allow to get raids underway while waiting to fill spots.

While it may be "optimal" to clear flex raids with a certain number of players, or do 10-player normal instead of 12-player Flex, Flex Mode isn't really intended for players only interested in efficiency. It's more for people interested in a social experience.

泰坦符文石雷神泰坦符文石泰坦回音善行披风Click the cut to read the blue posts!泰坦符文石 Droprates

Rygarius

Hello there.

We agree and feel that 泰坦符文石s drop too rarely. We are going to make some changes to 雷神.

For players that are on the legendary quest line, 雷神 will now always drop a 泰坦符文石. This is similar to what we did with rare drops in the past and will help players that have been experiencing really bad luck.

This change is still undergoing testing and is scheduled to take effect next Tuesday with the raid resets.
Each character has always had one chance off an eligible boss (regardless of difficulty mode) per week for the Legendary quest drop.
If you have already defeated 雷神 on Normal difficulty that week, you would not get an additional chance by defeating him on Raid Finder.
If you're on a completely different step of the Legendary quest line you should be eligible for a chance to drop. But, a minor disclaimer. This hotfix isn't in effect yet so you aren't guaranteed to get a 泰坦符文石 from 雷神.
Is the chance of a runestone droping the same regaurdless of if you kill the boss first in LFR, Normal, or Heroic Mode?

雷神Flex Raiding Discussion

Bashiok

It doesn't change the mechanics of what raids are, it's a variable difficulty that scales on the number of people you have. You'll still need tanks, you'll still need healers, and you'll still need DPS; the fundamental archetypes of the game aren't changing.

If your guild or group of friends isn't attempting raids now outside of LFR, you might have some roles you're not filling, but you certainly could get to that point. Certainly expect people to be building PUGs and such, but that's not really the intended target. The immediately intended target of Flex is to allow the more casual guilds that are already making small attempts at Normal (and probably hit a brick wall early on in ToT) to more easily get weekly groups together to have fun and progress on content that's more suited for their pace. They want to see the content, want some challenge in progressing, but aren't so hardcore as to be sitting people out or demanding requirements of those playing. Jump in and play the game with friends, have fun, low stress, Flex.
Absolutely. Just the process of people putting groups together for things and having that need for some coordination in the content, you end up seeing the same people over and over, make friends, and that in no small part helps to build long-term in-game relationships and feeds into healthy guilds.
So if a 10 man raid group thats casually doing Normal modes decides to do a flex raid, its just plain easier. no doubts there.

But if they bring their 10 man, and then 5 more healer friends, how does it scale? Just plain scaling of the bosses HP? wouldn't it mean those 5 other healer friends are kind of dead weight?

But only 25m casual groups or 10m groups with large rosters, right? A small, casual 10m group that ends up missing people on a given night won't really be able to take advantage of the flex system to "just raid anyway" with their friends, which I think is a shame.

I'd love to see a little more flex allowing for maybe 8-28 raiders or something, so that 25m groups can also take advantage of the new flex raids to not have to bench friends, and 10m groups can worry less about having their raid night cancelled because of one or two missing raiders.Can they leave and have the raid automatically adjust on the fly? How about adding people after it starts?How is it going to scale for healers? If I'm taking 17 players how will I know how many healers I will need?

Taepsilum

This isn’t for LFR folks, it’s for Normal folks (ahem... you know what I mean) that were going into LFR and weren’t having an enjoyable raiding experience or that just wanted an easy way to play with friends and family without spending too much time organizing it.

These players would go to LFR only for gear, not for the experience, and that’s not really what we want to see happening.

I’m hoping that players who are looking for more challenging content, but have no time to get into the usual guild raiding schedules, will start to switch from LFR to Flexible Raids.

Highly skilled players with heavy time constraints have always felt a bit left out from MMORPGs, but maybe there are ways we can deal with that.

Ideally, skill should be equally or even better rewarded than time, but there needs to be a balance between the two, we can’t provide 30 minutes of insanely difficult content with the best rewards that only 0.001% of the player base would be able reach, but we also can’t do the opposite and make rewards exclusively and directly proportional with time spent. Skill needs to enter into the equation and needs to have a pretty strong weight.

LFR still has its own place, some players are quite content with it, some have no intention of going any further than LFR in terms of raiding and are happy with the experience it provides. We’re just trying to provide content for everyone to enjoy.

This is just a preview, 5.4 isn’t even on the PTR yet, many things can still change. This is also part of the reason why we’re sharing this information with you all; the feedback we get will help us to better shape our next major content patch. I've already seen quite a few interesting and unexpected arguments in this thread and we'll share them with the devs, so keep it up! ;)
That’s a good point, I believe that a few players might do that for a little while, but I would like to point out that the unlocking of Flexible Raids and LFR are very similar but on different timetables, this will probably mean that normal and heroic will open first, then FR and then LFR.

So by the time LFR opens, chances are, there won’t be that many upgrades left for let’s say, a fully heroic equipped 5.3 raider, which is the typical player that usually tries to get upgrades wherever and whenever possible.
This is exactly what our social guild needed!

As such we are recruiting for more to come and join our family on Draenor!

Anyone know if this is cross realm or not, because I couldn't find anything about it?I think it's an amazing idea, but I would like to see it 8-25 or 5-25 if possible + make the loot the same ilvl as normal and make flexi and normal share the lockout, or even replace the whole normal with 8-25 mode.

If there are 11-12 one night, the guild has to decide to do the low ilvl with all players, or do the high ilvl but 1-2 are left out.. and i'm almost positive they will choose the higher ilvl.solution? LFR and Flex give no Tier set tokens (still give hand, leg armor etc, just not tier), give nothing towards legendary and give half the valor of normal. LFR gives 60 for 3 bosses, Flex gives the same. make them share a lockout.

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评论来自 ZombloatRemoved

Anyway, I really hope the Sky Claw makes it into the game eventually.评论来自 627828This post was from a user who has deleted their account.评论来自 rehlyihmahI'm not exactly part of the target audience for this system as I am on a bit of a schedule with 25 man raiding and work and such and just don't have time for a third ID, but I'd like to mention that flex raids would be a great way to get some life back into old content. It's likely ridiculous, considering that that would mean that someone would have to go back to old raid tiers and scale them, but still. Imagine you could run Molten Core with a bunch of friends without DPSing the bosses to the ground in less than 3 seconds :D Anyway, not sure how many people would actually care to do that kind of thing.
This isn't exactly the best place to post this, I know. xD

All in all, flex raids sound great.评论来自 AzrileAfter reading GCs comments this weekend, I have a feeling they are going to be gutting LFR soon. With the addition of another lockout, that means LFR gear is going to be drastically lower than normal raid gear ( even now it is significantly lower). So they are going to basically lower it one tier lower now (relatively), then they are thinking about removing tier pieces from LFR, and will probably do the same with vanity pets and stuff like that.

So what will LFR really be. Zerg bosses that reward valor and not much else? Just from listening to GC, I think, AS ALWAYS they are swinging the pendulum too far in the opposite direction. They make LFR a viable endgame for a lot of players who don´t want to schedule raids.. their is gear progression, and at least for the first few weeks, some challenging endgame. (lfr bosses are fairly difficult the first few weeks). In any event, from the tone of GC´s posts, it feels like LFR will become what heroic dungeons were in WOTLK.. something players zerg as fast as possible for VP.

I love the idea of flex raiding, I love that it will bring back realm PUGs and give a way for 10m guilds to grow to be 25mans.. But I think GC and the devs are listening a bit too much to the raiders who complain about LFR, and that there will be a backlash from the silent majority who use LFR as their endgame. LFR gear is already going to be probably 30ilvls behind normal raiding, there is no reason to take away tier sets and vanity drops for people who don´t want to schedule raiding.

The devs, especially GC, are terrible about overreacting to a perceived problem. It is always this huge pendulum swing in the opposite direction.评论来自 rinkworksGutting LFR like that would be a terrible idea. And what do these "real raiders" who whine about LFR care anyhow? They are wholly unaffected by what more casual players do with the game, save the precise degree of superiority they can lord over everybody else.

LFR has its issues, but most of them are social -- people there can be super rude without any social consequences, because they'll probably never see the rest of the group again. But those of us who do LFR have decided to put up with it, and/or actually use the "ignore" feature, and the reason we've decided to do that is because it enables us to participate in the end-game without having to commit to a raiding schedule. Flex raiding is good for some of that group, but flex raids will still require degrees of socialization and commitment that many LFR'ers will be unable or unwilling to engage in. Should they be denied even seeing the endgame content? In my opinion, no way. Reward differences (gear ilvl, mounts, achievements) are the right way to distinguish between the two. The balance is about right right now, I feel.

All this said, are you sure their stretch goal is to gut LFR? They have to know that LFR is the raiding mode of choice for (I believe) the overwhelming majority of their user base. And I'm not convinced that the mere fact of Flex Raiding means LFR gear has to be pushed down. With ToT, LFR gear is 502, and normal is 522. If ToT had had Flex mode, maybe Flex gear would have been 512, in which case the LFR gear would be precisely where it is now relative to the other modes.评论来自 RainemardThe guaranteed drop from Lei Shen is meant to be an upper cap for players that experience a streak of bad luck. The discussion seems to be if this upper cap is still too long.评论来自 PaulichonThe guaranteed drop from Lei Shen is meant to be an upper cap for players that experience a streak of bad luck. The discussion seems to be if this upper cap is still too long.评论来自 jamesjiaoLOL... I still can't get past the pvp quest in the legendary chain. So this is all meaningless to me...

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