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News Round Up: Vanity Loot in LFR Satchels, 5.2 Trinket Preview, Ghostcrawler on Class Balance

由 perculia 发表于 2013/02/15，11:42

Loot Improvements Coming to LFR Satchels长者的好运符永春红利一包神秘的迷雾异域物品LFR versions of trash drops里克的藏宝图拳手钱袋

Bashiok

The change is still in for the failbags to ... not be fail. They'll have a chance to contain things like very valuable grey items (essentially randomizing the gold you get from the bags), LFR versions of non-boss loot, 祥和之灵, consumables, pets and mounts, and... maybe some other stuff I forgot. Lots of things! Opening them should have some anticipation and surprise now. :)

Ghostcrawler on Class Balance and Trinketsdatamined last week重生符文雷神的精准之视

Agility: 杀戮护符, 重生符文, 雷纳塔基的灵魂符咒, 邪恶魂能

Caster: 雷神的精准之视, 乌苏雷的最终抉择, 九头蛇之息, 张叶的辉煌精华

Healer: 赫利东的垂死之息, 雷神的精准之视, 闪电圣杯, 九头蛇之息, 祖达萨的失窃遗物

Tank: 灵魂壁障, 赞达拉之韧, 季鹍的复苏之风, 嗜血者的精致小瓶

Strength: 双后的凝视, 赞达拉之火, 季鹍的传说之羽, 普利莫修斯的狂怒护符

Fun procs: 邪恶魂能 summons voodoo gnomes, 赞达拉之火 turns you into a Zandalari warrior.

Full list of all the LFR, Normal, and Heroic trinkets coming in 5.2.

Tier 15 ItemsetsThrone of Thunder Loot TablesTier 15 Weapon ModelsSeason 13 PvP gearClick the cut to read Ghostcrawler's posts!

Ghostcrawler

Could you guys PLEASE look at Death Knights final tier talents as they are now they are absolutely USELESS in a raid situation is an AoE cc that obviously dosent work on a raid boss there immune then there's gorefiends grasp an AoE deathgrip obviously useless in a raid encounter as they are immune to its affects as well then there's 邪恶之地? i forget the last ones name but boss loss of control mechanics can not be broken by any ability. PLEASE look them over and give one of them something useful to raid boss encounter i feel left out of all the cool level 90 talents.

三战老兵窒息窒息

Ghostcrawler

Balance - Increased , 愤怒 and 星涌术 by 9%.
I question why Rogues are getting 0.7 GCD consideration while Feral is stuck weaving 1.5sec GCD heals into their DPS rotation.

猎豹形态

Ghostcrawler

Recent datamining has shown Invocation being nerfed to reduce our natural mana regen by 100%, up from 50%.

唤醒唤醒唤醒唤醒灼烧 was our only way to obtain at least some mobility before it became castable while moving (yes some of us actually PvP'd as fire before this change). Before that, and at least for me, my only option to chase somebody besides keeping living bomb up was spamming icelance and tbh, I never liked it.灼烧炽热疾速闪现术灼烧浮冰奥术冲击奥术飞弹奥术弹幕

Ghostcrawler

- Likewise, I wouldn't worry about the details of monk numbers, especially healing, too much yet. If you want to keep track however, here are recent changes: Mana cost of 被烧毁的雕文 +21%, Mana cost of 猛虎掌 +33%, 禅院教诲 now provides 2% mana to , Reduced T15 4pc from -5 sec cooldown on 雷光聚神茶.
This will make us mistweaver only use jab in combo with TP or we will loss so much mana.

猛虎掌猛虎掌活血术抚慰之雾抚慰之雾救赎抚慰之雾力贯千钧The reason 猛虎掌, 猛虎掌, 活血术 ultimately came to be was because of it's reliability. Part of it was mana efficiency, but most of it comes down to it's the only on-gcd guaranteed chi generation.猛虎掌猛虎掌活血术With the buffs to penance and the increased focus on 救赎, are you at all worried about seeing guilds stacking Disc priests simply because of their dps?救赎

Ghostcrawler

Paladin
Here is the current PTR : Fills you with Holy Light, causing melee attacks (and Judgment) to apply to your target. : The attacking Paladin's next 圣殿骑士的裁决 striking this target will also deal 25% weapon damage as Holy per application of . Stacks up to 5 times. Lasts 15 sec. Undispellable. Using the 圣殿骑士的裁决 consumes the stack. The proc itself is not affected by mastery, nor is the mastery proc from 圣殿骑士的裁决 counted for purposes of how hard hits.

We understand the concern that this superficially looks a little like the old Taste for Blood. Taste for Blood was designed to be very random in order to limit the planning the warrior could do and limit its frequency. (It was also off the GCD, a buff rather than a debuff which made it feel even less predictable to the victim, and stackable with other big hits like Heroic Leap.) is designed to be a very predictable mechanic in order to unload some decent damage even when GoaK and wings are on CD. Yes, it will be even bigger when stacked with CDs. Big hits that take a lot of planning and give their target plenty of notification and opportunities to counter are more acceptable than those that come out of the blue.

We also understand the concern that this forces paladins into taking if they want a snare. However, that is offset by the data that suggests some (but not all) paladins take Burden today (meaning the cost for taking it isn't too great), but hardly anyone uses the current today; i.e. most Rets are running around with no snare at all.

On the other hand, if Ret still isn't going to use this new , then there is no reason to change it, and we could just leave it as a dead spell for 5.2.

I don't get the change either because at first GC didn't want to buff sustain because it meant buffing burst so now he plans to buff burst which will buff burst even more!?

十字军打击圣殿骑士的裁决神圣复仇者Do you consider this change to make progression PVE ret's reinstitute seal twisting as mandatory? Or is the debuff going to be mutually exclusive to ? Also, "melee attacks" in this case mean 十字军打击/HotR, Judgement, and white attacks only, correct? I guess I'm just concerned with how this plays into min/max PVE, esp considering the fact that seals are still on the GCD.Also, is there still a passive damage component associated with , like the current 16% weapon damage as holy on Live? Or is this new Debuff the only form of damage associate with the seal?Can you share the proc rate for us? is judgment 100% chance to generate a proc?Will I be able to prevent the application of Judgment stacks with AMS?What exactly is the intention? for pvp. for pve? for cds or something?I believe he said it will last 15 seconds and stack exactly how does now. If that is the case we should be able to swap between two targets in that 15 second time span. However, since the stacks will get consumed it will be more difficult to keep them up on more than one target.Your data is full of PVE Ret paladins. PVP paladins use in arenas.忏悔

Ghostcrawler

- 心灵震爆 - Increased 心灵震爆 by 20%. (Yeah I know you have to stop and cast it modulo procs, but I meant in contrast to 精神鞭笞 which makes you really plant.)
- We are sympathetic to the argument that we have been schizophrenic (to use the term incorrectly) in the Shadow PvP 4pc VT dispel bonus (罪与罚). Originally the enemy strategy was to just "get it over with" and dispel 吸血鬼之触 until the horror went on DR. We changed the way dispels work so that isn't much of a strategy these days, however the dispel is still in the hands of the enemy and not the Shadow priest, which we agree makes the DR extra punitive. We also think we've hit Shadow hard enough in PvP that this nerf isn't required, so we're going to remove the DR from the Horror proc from 吸血鬼之触 dispels.
- We haven't forgotten to have provide a heal for Holy. That's still in the cards.
Could you possibly speak on this subject? It feels like the tier is designed exclusively for Holy, and that makes me sad.

治疗祷言恢复真言术：盾能量灌注治疗祷言真言术：盾治疗祷言真言术：盾灵魂护壳真言术：盾治疗祷言灵魂护壳真言术：盾苦修救赎Will the mastery provide a straight up boost to healing too or is it still a 20% buff to absorbs + x% per point of master and y% boost to your healing?lso please buff offensive penance to 40 yards with the glyph of holy fire. It's the only thing that is still 30.苦修Holy gets it's much higher than .08 mastery when it doesn't crit always. We're doing slightly better than them on crits (and only slightly), but the crit % makes it not only really low, but very random and unreliable. Years of healers preferring haste over crit for reliability in healing should factor in here somewhere I'd think.真言术：盾治疗祷言灵魂护壳真言术：障Also, does this make disc the first spec to have a dual mastery or have we seen this before?The is 160k and the heal is 200k for a 360k heal. The is also only 160k so it's less likely to hit the max bubble size cap.As someone mentioned before, because you've shifted such a huge portion of our crit heals into an absorb, we're now even more susceptible to dispels in PvP. Making undispellable is a pretty big hammer, so I understand that you're reluctant to do this, but there must be some middle ground.Ghostcrawler, all this disc priest information... I love you. Please run away with me where we can live out our lives in peace together.

Ghostcrawler

Is there a reason why Subtlety's 切割 can be refreshed with a weaker (aka shorter) version when Combat's can't (you get the 'more powerful spell active' error)?

And do i need to state how rediculous this is for combat? its got to the point where the rogues in my guild thought about not popping 冲动 and 暗影之刃 together for combat because of the rediculous nature of our energy situation and that inherently hurts our long term dps because 暗影之刃 wont benefit from the 2-3 cycles/finishers we use during the 冲动. I Hope all of what i have said makes some sense to you, im not whining here, im simply pointing out a fundemental issue with the 4 piece.冲动暗影之刃冲动Rogue 4 piece is COMPLETELY useless for combat. We already energy cap during 冲动, so giving us more energy during Shadow Blades does nothing, as de-coupling 冲动/Shadow Blades appears to be a DPS loss even with the 4 piece. I thought the goal was to boost combat single target damage in 5.2. Guess not.Item - Rogue T15 4P Bonus冲动暗影之刃暗影之刃Here's the followup question then. Will this disable the 被烧毁的雕文? That brings Combat to a .5s GCD with the glyph if they're stacked.

Ghostcrawler

- We are separating out 先祖指引 into a damage conversion number and a healing conversion number in order to allow for better tuning and to ultimately make the talent more attractive to Resto. I am guessing at the numbers right now, but imagine it says something like: "When you deal direct damage, 40% is copied as healing. When you deal direct healing, 60% is copied as healing."

There was no nerf. Sorry if my explanation was unclear. 熔岩爆裂 with should do exactly the same damage it does on live. 熔岩爆裂 without will do more damage than it does on live. It is a buff to unfavorable situations.

Now all that said, Elemental's damage is still low. I didn't want that message to distract players from the 熔岩爆裂 change. I also didn't want players to campaign for just buffing the heck out of 熔岩爆裂, because that would have done damage to the rotation and PvP. Instead, we want to buff Elemental evenly. Imagine a Shamanism buff if you must until we decide the actual change.
Ghostcrawler, is it intended that abilities like or 牺牲咆哮 prevent 熔岩爆裂 from critting even though it clearly states "always deal a critical strike."?
混乱之箭 which has the always critical isn't affected by this. The nerf to lava burst damage means while these effects are up we do next to no damage with it even worse than 熔岩爆裂 not critting before.
Hopefully this is just an oversight.

混乱之箭

Ghostcrawler

Look at it this way, you say that 90% or Locks are using 牺牲魔典 and that's why it needs to be nerfed, but really the vast majority of those people are playing with 牺牲魔典 becasue they DON"T WANT TO USE A PET.

牺牲魔典牺牲魔典牺牲魔典牺牲魔典A lot of Warlocks are wondering why our AOE spells are getting reduced so dramatically?腐蚀之种

Ghostcrawler

, 顺劈斩, 雷霆一击, 旋风斩, and Talented attacks. All vying for a place in AoE.

顺劈斩顺劈斩旋风斩雷霆一击雷霆一击i assumed this was suppose to spread the snare from 战神 to other targets also

never actually seen it in any official patch notes.. was this an error on their part or is bugged currently on the ptr?被烧毁的雕文重伤压制致死打击压制Go back to the start, start with the principle of "Basic rotation is MS->压制->压制->X" and "Sometimes you will prioritize 猛击 over 压制 when you are running high on rage", and figure out how to make it work from there. As it is, always having 压制 always taking priority over all the other fillers leaves the rotation feeling too cramped and awkward, and takes all rage management out of the rotation, leaving us with no choices except hitting HS when we can't spend enough rage with the default rotation.致死打击压制猛击压制猝死猝死压制猝死重伤

Ghostcrawler

Agility DPS
- 影踪突袭营的邪恶护符 – 15% chance on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. 105 sec ICD.
- 雷纳塔基的灵魂符咒 – 0.56 RealPPM on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. 22 sec ICD.
- 杀戮护符 – 3.00 RealPPM on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. No ICD.
- 邪恶魂能 – 0.50 RealPPM on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. No ICD. Voodoo Gnomes are mostly for flavor; they deal ~200 damage before armor per hit.
- 重生符文 – 0.46 RealPPM on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. 22 sec ICD

Strength DPS
- 影踪突袭营的野蛮护符 - 15% chance on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. 75 sec ICD.
- 季鹍的传说之羽 - 0.56 RealPPM on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. 22 sec ICD.
- 普利莫修斯的狂怒护符 – 3.00 RealPPM on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. No ICD.
- 赞达拉之火 - 5.00 RealPPM on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. No ICD.
- 双后的凝视 – 1.00 RealPPM on critical harmful abilities and spells, periodic spell, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. No ICD.

Intellect DPS
- 影踪突袭营的爆裂护符 – 15% chance on landing harmful spell. 45sec ICD.
- 乌苏雷的最终抉择 – 0.56 RealPPM on damage/absorb from harmful abilities and spells, and periodic spells. 22 sec ICD.
- 九头蛇之息 – 0.50 RealPPM on damage/absorb from periodic spell. No ICD.
- 雷神的精准之视 – 0.50 RealPPM on damage/absorb from harmful spells and periodic spells. No ICD.
- 张叶的辉煌精华 – 1.00 RealPPM on critical harmful spells and periodic spells. No ICD.

Healer
- 影踪突袭营的抚慰护符 – On Use, 180sec CD.
- 赫利东的垂死之息 – 1.00 RealPPM on heal from helpful spell and periodic spell while in combat. No ICD.
- 九头蛇卵的铭文袋 – 1.13 RealPPM on heal from helpful spell and periodic spell while in combat. 17 sec ICD.
- 祖达萨的失窃遗物 – 3.00 RealPPM on attempting helpful spell while in combat. No ICD. Use effect has a 20sec CD.
- 闪电圣杯 – 3.00 RealPPM on heal from helpful spell and periodic spell while in combat. No ICD.

Tank
- 影踪突袭营的坚定护符 – On Use, 120 sec CD.
- 赞达拉之韧 – On Use, 120 sec CD.
- 嗜血者的精致小瓶 – 4% chance on dodge melee ability or swing. No ICD.
- 季鹍的复苏之风 – 100% chance on taking damage from melee abilities or swings, that leaves you below 35% health. 30 sec ICD.
- 灵魂壁障 - On Use, 120 sec CD.

Legendary Metagems

阴险之源钻 – 0.84 RealPPM on damage/absorb of harmful or periodic spell. No ICD.
英勇之源钻 – 1.00 RealPPM on attempting helpful spell. No ICD.
不屈之源钻 – 1.00 RealPPM on damage/absorb taken from melee ability or swing. No ICD.
电容之源钻 – 15.00 base RealPPM on landing melee/ranged abilities and swings. No ICD. At 5 stacks, fires Lightning Strike, which deals Nature damage. That base proc rate is multiplied by an additional coefficient by spec:
- Assassination: 1.535
- Combat: 0.99
- Subtlety: 0.98
- Feral: 1.934
- Windwalker: 1.084
- Beast Mastery: 1.604
- Marksmanship: 1.594
- Survival: 1.449
- Enhancement: 1.093
- Retribution: 1.923
- Frost DK (2H): 1.309
- Frost DK (DW): 1.572
- Unholy: 1.34
- Arms: 1.771
- Fury (TG): 1.784
- Fury (SMF): 1.951

Why is the PPM different by spec considering that realPPM is supposed to give every class/spec roughly the same proc rate already?

阴险之源钻Can you at least clarify how 重生符文 would work? Wording on the trinket is not very clear.重生What's the rate for specs not mentioned in the list for the 电容之源钻? Examples include Blood DKs, Prot Warriors/Paladins.Why does the trinket note that it can stack if the RPPM isn't high enough to allow it to in the first place?Can the 电容之源钻 cause a critical strike?One concern from Mistweavers when dealing with 电容之源钻 is that the Conductive proc would affect 禅院古训.Lightning Strike Charges Trigger禅院古训Is this RealPPM calculated differently due to being on crit rather than being on hit? Does it account for a characters crit chance in the 1 RPPM or is it just a 1 RPPM that procs on a crit?Could you clarify on what trinkets you're talking about specifically? To me "stacking agi trinket" would seem to be describing 雷纳塔基的灵魂符咒 yet the context of the statement seems to indicate you're talking about 杀戮护符 / 普利莫修斯的狂怒护符 / 双后的凝视.杀戮护符普利莫修斯的狂怒护符双后的凝视雷纳塔基的灵魂符咒季鹍的传说之羽乌苏雷的最终抉择嗜血者的精致小瓶杀戮护符普利莫修斯的狂怒护符双后的凝视Esentially, this makes it worth roughly ~half of a generic trinket of similar ilvl, because the proc isn't adding any itemization, unlike every other trinket in existence. If there were agility specs that had huge discrepancies in secondary stat weights (i.e. best stat is 3x+ the average value of the worst two stats) then maybe someone could find some use for it, but, as far as I know, community theorycrafting indicates that this is not the case.升腾重生双后的凝视张叶的辉煌精华双后的凝视张叶的辉煌精华重生符文雷神的精准之视

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评论来自 thepandoraeffectoohh. Satchels make me hopeful for the future of our society.评论来自 EdantheDwarfI always wondered why the not-loot bag in lfr was not more like the Call to arms bag that tanks or healers sometimes get for running 5 mans.评论来自 1090519This post was from a user who has deleted their account.评论来自 SeverageGC is my new friend now. Initially worried about Disc and Shadow over-nerfing explicitly for PvP, I am pleased to see both will be viable specs in 5.2 - and in fact, Holy will be more viable in raids now.

I am still slightly unnerved by Blizzard's inaction with the Fire Mage spec. It is by far the most fun, enjoyable spec of the 3, and is the most complex to play as well (Arcane and Frost can be played in your sleep), yet it remains the least powerful by far. I can wait though, I have plenty of other toons to level.评论来自 SayneKamariI love the new design for trinkets, I think it makes them more fun and interesting!评论来自 InterestDarn. Nothing for Hunters.评论来自 TheWheatOneDamn, Ghostcrawler could write a book with how much text he makes in balance arguments, especially for disc priests here.评论来自 SoulflameTBI am still slightly unnerved by Blizzard's inaction with the Fire Mage spec. It is by far the most fun, enjoyable spec of the 3, and is the most complex to play as well (Arcane and Frost can be played in your sleep), yet it remains the least powerful by far.评论来自 lankybritDarn. Nothing for Hunters.评论来自 ElhonnaDSOh goodness- Hyacinth Macaw drop chance.评论来自 AzrileI am still slightly unnerved by Blizzard's inaction with the Fire Mage spec. It is by far the most fun, enjoyable spec of the 3, and is the most complex to play as well (Arcane and Frost can be played in your sleep), yet it remains the least powerful by far.评论来自 1095441This post was from a user who has deleted their account.评论来自 InterestOh goodness- Hyacinth Macaw drop chance.评论来自 SoulflameTBI am still slightly unnerved by Blizzard's inaction with the Fire Mage spec. It is by far the most fun, enjoyable spec of the 3, and is the most complex to play as well (Arcane and Frost can be played in your sleep), yet it remains the least powerful by far.approximatelyyouI评论来自 AzrileWhatever, you aren´t doing 20% less because of the spec you play. You are doing 20% less because you aren´t as good at one spec as the other. Nothing is that out of whack.

I played since Vanilla, I know how unbalanced things were back then.. in the order of 50% difference between classes and specs. People cry now because Arcane and Affliction are 5-10% above the pack, but i think it is remarkable that there are 15ish specs within 2% of each other. Not to mention that there are 5 tanks that are all perfectly viable for endgame raiding.

pfft.. the theorycrafting community is fine with GC. What you and most people don´t realize is theorycrafting and test dummies are meaningless because there are NO FIGHTS like that. No theorycrafters were predicting arcane and aflliction would pull ahead of the pack because there are a crazy amount of moving pieces involved, including boss mechanics and gear thresholds. Yep, GC missed those two specs.. but it isn´t like he was avoiding viable feedback leading up to 5.0.

So you tell me, mr theorycrafter.. tell me the 2 specs that will be out in front of the pack in 6 weeks? Most certainly there will be some, but it is impossible to predict, especially by people using test dummies or spreadsheets. Yep, GC will mess up a few specs, but nobody can predict it now. You guys just use 20/20 hindsight when you say the TCs have a better record than GC. Make your prediction!评论来自 SoulflameTBWhatever, you aren´t doing 20% less because of the spec you play. You are doing 20% less because you aren´t as good at one spec as the other. Nothing is that out of whack. I played since Vanilla, I know how unbalanced things were back then.. in the order of 50% difference between classes and specs. People cry now because Arcane and Affliction are 5-10% above the pack, but i think it is remarkable that there are 15ish specs within 2% of each other. Not to mention that there are 5 tanks that are all perfectly viable for endgame raiding.pfft.. the theorycrafting community is fine with GC. What you and most people don´t realize is theorycrafting and test dummies are meaningless because there are NO FIGHTS like that. No theorycrafters were predicting arcane and aflliction would pull ahead of the pack because there are a crazy amount of moving pieces involved, including boss mechanics and gear thresholds. Yep, GC missed those two specs.. but it isn´t like he was avoiding viable feedback leading up to 5.0.So you tell me, mr theorycrafter.. tell me the 2 specs that will be out in front of the pack in 6 weeks? Most certainly there will be some, but it is impossible to predict, especially by people using test dummies or spreadsheets. Yep, GC will mess up a few specs, but nobody can predict it now. You guys just use 20/20 hindsight when you say the TCs have a better record than GC. Make your prediction!评论来自 1095441This post was from a user who has deleted their account.

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