评论来自 Doomedge

One of the "New" cata rare bars, they can be transmuted from alchemest's for 8 pyrium bars. they are reagents for all the new engineer goggles.

评论来自 triques

I hope they make a new icon instead of recycling the "Gold Bar" icon...

评论来自 tmptfate

I wouldn't count on a new graphic, that is not Blizz's style.

@Hoddie~v~ Its a gold bar graphic... for a GOLD BAR. There is no need to make a new graphic. Hence my comment, they wont waste effort on something that doesn't need a new graphic.

评论来自 Hoddie

I wouldn't count on a new graphic, that is not Blizz's style.

Which other (non-quest) bars share the same image? No? It's called 'placeholder' - do you want them to make every image before releasing the Alpha, or Beta?

评论来自 Keelerak

Cataclysm Arcanite?

评论来自 Leronroll

I am not content untill i can dip the gnomes i kill in gold and keep them as trophies!

评论来自 OpticalRofl

This was transmuted for me yesterday in Orgrimmar.It's gold and looks longer than your average bar or precious metal.

评论来自 MakaPL

I get it now. Obviously Krovalian Gold and Gold are SAME. LOL

评论来自 Arsvent

this seems to be the cata version of titansteel bars and will be used to make all the highest end Eng and BS items.

评论来自 wingman

No its actually the cata equivalent of titanium bars. As such Alchemist's can transmute it from 8 Pyrium (Saronite equivalent) bars.

评论来自 Darvon

Well, it may have a slightly different icon, since it is 'true' gold, it may have something distinctive about it.

评论来自 AnrDaemon

they can be transmuted from alchemest's for 8 pyrium bars.

Epic... just epic... You, dear sir, made my day!

评论来自 Blackriver

Changed from Krovalian Gold to Truegold.

评论来自 MakaPL

Yeah. Let's put a one single icon to all bars. It's METAL should has a METAL icon.

Edit: I was beeing sacrastic X_X Peep, calm down a bit.

评论来自 Nimbonya

It's not fake gold. :)

评论来自 Zereketh

Not to be confused with fakegold.

EDIT: It seems Blizz finally made/implicated the new icon for this. It previously used the same icon as the normal Gold Bar.

评论来自 Jaylen

By DemonsDontDream 16 days ago (Patch 4.0.1)
This would be more like Titansteel than Titanium. Elementium is more like Saronite, and Pyrium like Titanium

But then again, Titanium was more a glorified Steel 2.0.

评论来自 matoh

钴锭 ---> 黑曜石块
萨隆邪铁锭 ---> 源质锭
泰坦神铁锭 ---> 燃钢锭
泰坦精钢锭 ---> 真金

评论来自 Discokoopa

Wow, an unoriginal look-a-like end-game bar!

Nothing like Hardened Adamantite Bars and Felsteel Bars eh?

WTB original picture, please.

评论来自 HeroOfLightPKN

Truesilver is generally thought to be Mithril of the Highest Quality

I'd hazard a guess that Truegold is Gold of the Highest Quality

评论来自 Keelerak

Actually, Truegold is more like Arcanite than titansteel, because it is crafted by alchemist

评论来自 Dingolicious

This is going to be VERY expensive at the start of the expansion. It's used for all the titansteel equivalent weapons, engi goggles, and various other desirable pieces. Only way to get it is by Alchemy transmutes and it's on a 1 day CD.

If you want the best stuff first, you're going to pay through the nose for this!

评论来自 Malpriest

Arcanite Bars are transmuted from Thorium Bars and Arcane Crystals.

评论来自 chame1e0n

Step 1: become an alchemist
Step 1.5: become a Transmutation Master
Step 2: make this
Step 2.5: ?
Step 3: profit

评论来自 nocherrybars

TRUEgold sells for TWO gold. You so punny, Blizz.

评论来自 Theorw

I am so happy i have comleted 1.5 step too!
Used to get some extra cardinal rubys and some Titanium bars.
Now an extra bar of these will be a VERY nice gold boost!

评论来自 thesandman87

I do not approve, so to level blacksmithing im required to paid 4-5k a bar for this at launch, and that price wont come down, because they will want there transmute CD for other things like transmuteing Gems or things they use, so just great, Titansteel was a smarter idea blizzard, now my mining wont be much help to blacksmithing and im expected to level a profession I don't have, screw you Blizzard and your stupid ass ideas

评论来自 d1zzle23

8 made selling each for 7500g. RICH

评论来自 roguedragon725

Seeing as how Truegold is Arcanite 2.0, I'm wondering where my Truegold Reaper is.

The weapons made from it, such as Forged Elementium Mindcrusher don't count--they are NO Reaper.

评论来自 Zeta91

I have only seen one so far sitting in the AH. It is selling for 8000g....god.
This makes me want to level up my alchemist...good thing he is a transmutation master too.

评论来自 Zereketh

TRUEGOLD REAPER...yeah it's just not the same.

评论来自 RobMoonkin

Selling for 3.8k now atm mats cost around 1k if you buy them but still i nice 2.8k profit

评论来自 Sonofspree

Lmao, yeah because being POSTED for 8,000g is the same thing as someone actually BUYING it for 8,000g.

评论来自 Grarlex

It's transmuted from Pyrium, so it's not gold. It's truegold :)
Truesilver bar are made from truesilver ore.

评论来自 Junyed

To be fair, I believe arcanite transmutes had a cooldown as well, I forget if it was one day, three days, or a week, though.

评论来自 Junyed

It's transmuted from Pyrium, so it's not gold. It's truegold :)
Truesilver bar are made from truesilver ore.

I do believe you're missing the point.

评论来自 Junyed

Iron buckles. Inlaid mithril cylinder. Every enchanting rod after the copper one. S'all I'm saying.

评论来自 protpwr

For all you whiners too lazy to make alts make them now. I have 10 lv 80 toons and one lv 85 toon on my realm and I'm having a blast with 7 of my toons as transmute alchemists. That will change soon because I will have to change professions.
Toon 1 Mining + Herbing (Now that you can find both at the same time without toggling (yellow dots), have this be your gatherer.)
Toon 2 Skinning + Engineering (Have this be your volatile air + leather gatherer.)
Toon 3 Inscription + Alchemy (xmute) (Make those new darkmoon cards.)
Toon 4 Tailoring + Alchemy (xmute) (Start making bags and chaos orb boes.)
Toon 5 Enchanting + Alchemy (xmute) (Start making enchants to help your toons.)
Toon 6 JC + Alchemy (xmute) (2 daily cooldowns.)
Toon 7 JC + Alchemy (xmute)(2 daily cooldowns.)
Toon 8 JC + Alchemy (xmute)(2 daily cooldowns.)
Toon 9 JC + Alchemy (xmute or elixir if you plan on making gold with elixirs as well) (2 daily cooldowns.)
Toon 10 Blacksmith + Leatherworking (Have this be your heroics toon for chaos orbs.)

Only problem is finding the TIME to do all of this :)

I have made 27 truegold as of 12/13/10 and only hard part is farming the volatile air. I had to buy some off ah for as high as 40-50g per but when that truegold comes up X2 it's swwwweeeeet. I have posted some in ah but nobody has bought any yet. I guess nobody is in the heroics grind as of yet and doesn't acknowledge the need for this or just has some dumb guildie that is a sucker to make it for them. If I was an alchemist I would not sell these for under 2k gold for a very long time and I will sell my cooldown for 1k for a very long time. Don't be a sucker to someone cause they are too lazy to level alchemy to 525 skill level.

评论来自 Vath

Edit: Hmm, -6? Let me rephrase: Some of us don't have the time to level all classes to level 85, especially leveling the same profession on all of them. Some professions are bad enough to level once.

评论来自 incubescence

lolumadbro? It seems kind of hypocritical to gripe about the cost of mats for your professions if you aren't able to make them. Remember that's what sets your price tags too. While you're at it, go on a rampage at the gatherers and tell them they're pricing their stuff too high.

Just because he hasn't gone on a leveling bender doesn't mean he's throwing it in your face. He's sharing something that is extremely intelligent, for one thing it's easier to level multiple toons to the same profession because you end up buying in much bulk (I would forego farming mats myself lol) AND you have somewhere to put the extra mats your first ones don't use. As long as your economy supports it, it's definitely the way to go. not to mention it pushes out more competition from others leveling the same profession, by buying at the right times you can keep prices profitable for the gatherers on the server too. This was an appropriately placed post, because the benefit of being an xmute alch is certainly emphasized with that many toons, and alchemy is the only place so far to find this high-demand material.

btw the crux to this plan is the relatively small window of time this will actually be profitable. he capitalizes on having as many as he can to do it with but it will soon become less profitable than a similar profession, plus the cost of leveling THAT one.

Excellent moneymaker, tested and believe me it certainly works for my two alchemists. For now. :) then it will be my tailor or chanter. whatever. :)

评论来自 Jamahl

I highly recommend you wait 2-3 hours before Midnight server time before you sell your truegold. After midnight, lots of alchemists will be transmuting their truegold and throwing it on the AH, drastically increasing the supply and driving the prices down (ie from 2.5k-1.8k in my server). As the supply dwindles by the end of the day, the prices should shoot right back up and thus creating the optimal time to sell.

评论来自 Tomken

So people still haven't learn to bind keys in 2010? Sigh.

评论来自 Timely

they are bound...1,2,3,4,5,....

评论来自 Malafar

Arcanite used to have a three day cooldown, before patch 2.4.0.

评论来自 dwhittman

it's literally impossible to have 10 lvl 80 toons and 1 lvl 85 toon on the same server...HAXXX!

评论来自 Jasmeralia

You're assuming they only have one account, which is a foolish assumption for someone with that many 80s.

评论来自 frozenembers

yeah look at your lack of gold, you needed it

评论来自 Sakkura

Conversely, buying truegold is best in those hours just after midnight. I personally saw a 250g price drop within 5 minutes after midnight.

评论来自 redsunrising15

Let's get down to business, how do you get all the volatiles for this transmute?

评论来自 atheni

So once again I'm baffled: I get why people sell all the flasks and pots cheapcheapcheap that they made just to skill Alchemy to 525, But Why, once they get there, are they so intensely motivated to give Truegold away?
I"m looking at prices on Feathermoon and Sisters of Elune, and at a few minutes before midnight, Truegold is going for only a bit more than mats...and at that, Pyrium is dirt cheap, bars are about 25g.
So....we spent all that dough so we could do the top level transmute for nothing- am I missing something here?
Apart from the off chance of getting a free proc, there's no benefit here.
~A~

评论来自 Terrace

Great, just great. You mean us poor miners have to sweet-talk an alchemist into making these for us? I already miss the days when miners were the only source of Titansteel, which was the WotLK-equivalent to this. We made lots of gold selling those...

I can understand that Blizzard wants the professions to be more interconnected than before, but come on, guys. As far as I can tell, all the mats are gathered with mining. Thus, it makes logical sense for this to need mining to create. And they hand it over to alchemists? The guys who, as someone above me noted, sell it on the AH for a mere pittance?

Edit: Yes, I am aware that my comment can be called whining, but you know what? I consider this sufficiently upsetting that I don't care if you call me on it.

评论来自 redsunrising15

Base mats ground up it takes 31 days to make 6 truegold bars, assuming you have the volatile life required for the transmute: living elements.

Volatile Fire can be easily farmed from lava pools in hyjal.

评论来自 Kathucka

Note that creating this triggers a shared daily cooldown with the Living Elements and Pyrium Bar transmutes. Check your auction house to find which is the best transmute to use, because you're only doing one of them per alchemist today.

Note also that Cataclysm gem transmutes (meta and colored superior-quality) do not have cooldowns at all. You can keep making them as long as you have materials.

评论来自 Ottius

Considering how much Truegold (which costs 1000-3000 gold per piece; depending on a server) is required to craft all that completely useless crap, I wonder why Blizzard even bothered putting it in game.

评论来自 windilana

so how much should "doing truegold transmute if you have mats" sell for in trade channel?

评论来自 bagman817

While Truegold does not share a cooldown with gems, it does share a cooldown with Elemental. Since Life to Air is approximately 450g profit (not counting procs), alchemists would be foolish to do this transmute for less than 500g + mats. People are apparently starting to figure this out, as I see people spamming trade looking for the transmute over and over.

They need to separate the cooldowns (or perhaps give it back to Blacksmiths), or truegold is going to be very scarce and very expensive.

评论来自 islander1

Just my humble opinion, but the truegold requirements for level 359 stuff is ridiculous. I won't make a single 359 item (for myself much less for sale). why the hell would anyone pay 10k gold for a 346 --> 359 upgrade, when they can just grind out valor tokens instead if they really wanted that imaginary 'huge' upgrade?

the chaos orb requirement doesn't seem terrible, but considering how difficult it is to farm/make just one of these...and stuff is going to require 3-6 of them?

Really Blizzard? Terrible.

评论来自 ApocalypticSmile

Just scored FIVE of these in one click as a Transmutation Alchemist.

These can and do proc quite well.

Enjoy.

评论来自 thesandman87

it doesn't matter there still 1-2k a pop depending on the day. Its annoying as hell

评论来自 Thrahk

It amazes me that anyone does this transmute, let alone for only 150g

评论来自 reck1ess

The value of Truegold is falling rapidly on my high-pop realm. No one will pay more than 800g and they are barely selling at those low prices. I think it's because of the extreme amount of noobs selling the CD for 100g. Truegold might have a nice price tag but don't expect to get rich. I have found out that Transmute: Living Elements (which shares the same CD) is a lot more profitable and reliable. You can easily farm the mats in no time with herbalism. Maybe making Truegold would be more beneficial on medium sized realms?

评论来自 Reaveriew

Truegold seems to be the truest form of gold... At its purest and most dominant form, no doubt! But ONE question remains... WILL IT BLEND? THAT IS THE QUESTION!

评论来自 reck1ess

Now they have fallen to 700g each because people don't want to make a profit I guess.

评论来自 3daysgrace

I know im prolly gonna be hella downrated for this, but does this have a ridiculously long CD for the transmute?

评论来自 reck1ess

The value of these are now dipping into the 600's and the CD's are being sold for 100-150. I don't have a problem with the CD time but I do have a problem with it sharing one with Transmute: Living Elements.

评论来自 ElementWire

truegold is gold

评论来自 argyas

I would recomend having a X-mute master do it, i know im being captain obvious here but if your going to be paying upwards of 100g for a CD you might as well pay for one that might double your money

评论来自 chrisman717

you do realize they have to pay you 1000 gold -/+ so lets go with averages, so lets go with 源质苦痛腰铠
Assuming they buy all the mats;
hardened elementium bars x 4=868 gold
true gold bars x 3=2847gold
Chaos orbs x 2 somewhat hard to gauge price seeing as its bop from dungeons. If hes in a guild he probably doesn't need your truegold anyway, and if hes not in a guild or in a more casually oriented guild I don't think he'll have access to those mats. I don't assume the blacksmith is always a tank, i also don't think the blacksmith wins an orb consecutive runs. Considering repairs, queues, and time spent (Which would probably add up to maybe 5-7 hours give or take considering queues, fail groups, general stoppages, and waiting for replacements) I would consider 1000 gold per chaos orb about a fair average amount of overall price considering the above factors.
Chaos orbs x 2=2000gold
868+2847+2000=5715
The average price for the belt is 5950
5950-5715=235gold

A flask averaging all 5 types average price is 191 gold, so his profit is very little considering wowhead data.

Also if you say their in your guild then a) why are they selling gear they make with your/the guilds mats b) you should be providing flasks for them no matter what.

Lets go with him paying someone for a transmute instead of the auction house. For 1 bar it would cost;
volatile fire at 19 gold each x 10 = 190 gold
volatile air at 34 gold each x 10 = 340 gold
volatile water at 13 gold each x 10 = 130 gold
pyrium bars at 32 gold each x 3 = 96 gold
190 + 340 + 130 + 96 = 756 gold
Its a fairly long cool down so say you sell it for 75 gold.
thats 831 gold. thats about a 100 gold difference from the auction house.
thats 535 gold give or take some. Thats 2.8 flasks considering 4 of the 5 cost more that 191 gold well say thats 2 flasks. Assuming they buy/sell for those prices and tip you that much they could theoretically pay for their own flasks etc. but thats still not a wide profit margin.

All i ask is that next time please research before you make a comment like such. Just because they make 6k on an item doesnt mean they make 6k they have overhead. This happens with many companies. Just because a company sell say 1 billiob worth of products doesnt mean they make 1 billion it usually means they make maybe 100 million?

TL;DR Research before you make comments, and always research any fact someone gives you before accepting it.

EDIT: I'm sorry its like 3 am and i wasn't reading properly, but instead of deleting my wall of text i rather post it than have wasted my time and deleted. x.x

评论来自 masjwar

And yet everyone wanted to go crazy and do a downrate on the simplest of logical comments. Pathetic.

评论来自 Arcanz

You can get up to 5 in one transmute with transmutation master, I don't know if you can go any higher. But that's the higest I have transmuted in one go.

评论来自 thagreatk

Tbh, 源质战斧 is a scyte which a reaper use and it's also made from 真金 (also 硬化源质锭 but more Truegold).

So this polearm is the new Arcanite Reaper.

评论来自 druidsrus

now that ive see what and how many mats you need, and the ridiculous CD, no wonder they go for almost 1k on my server

评论来自 derekdaferret

I paid 90g for a transmute on this, is that a good price or did i just get ripped off?

评论来自 gadrair

Truegold is able to proc more than one truegold i just did my truegold and i got 4 truegold out of it

评论来自 Monogus

Tbh, Elementium Poleaxe is a scyte which a reaper use and it's also made from Truegold (also Hardened Elementium Bar but more Truegold).

So this polearm is the new Arcanite Reaper.

Monogus does not approve.

评论来自 seahen

The biggest downside to this is how easy it is to mistype, which led to one alchemist on my server trying to sell "truegolf". Fore!

评论来自 Dregodath

On AH it goes 600g minimum though, so why would you sell to a vendor?
Edit: Not sure why I'm being downrated, truegold is a valueable metal at this point.

评论来自 pyr0boy

when someone provides you with materials, as well as a tip for your time, they are intitled to what those mats create.
you are being paid already for your time including your time and money spend leveling said profession.
Stealing something that was created using someone else materials is just plain wrong. And just like someone who takes mats and doesn't give the crafted item back to the person, you can be reported/suspended for such actions.

评论来自 Kirikia

mah, who cares? we all got fooled by pyrite anyway

评论来自 pyr0boy

well put it this way, for all those that think the mats dont create it.
If that person hadn't given you THEIR mats, would you have created any extra at all? The answer is of coarse no.
So obviously, their mats are what gave you the opportunity to creat anything from 1 - 5

saying that you dont need mats to make procs is rather stupid

and yes I have an alchemist that is transmute spec'd

评论来自 Elysianfield

I've been under the impressions that "alchemy etiquette" was the following:

If you specifically ask for a specialized alchemist in trade, and a specialized alchemist responds, then you are entitled to the procs. In this case the alchemist will probably charge a fee (say 50 -100g for a transmute spec, depending on your server).
If you do not specifically ask for a specialized alchemist in trade, then the alchemist gets to keep the procs.

In both cases the alchemist makes money. The first has steady income whereas the second is volatile; the second is subject to variability in both proc numbers and market value.

评论来自 therailz

i agree with most of the posters that extra procs belong to the transmuter*sp* not the person paying, in fact i would go so far as to say it is ridiculous to expect them to give you the extra truegold, you have the mats for one that is what you get, nothing in life is free, the xmute master certainly paid in time effort and gold to get to that level, why should you, the buyer, profit from their hard work, really its ridiculous, i would spit in someones face if i procced 5 TG instead of 1 and they asked me for all 5, i am not an alch at all.

评论来自 Noctemus

I'm a transmuter master, and for the third day, don't proc even one extra truegold. We need to go to a certain place or something in order to proc? Wtf

评论来自 druid788

truegold is truegold not anything else

评论来自 SooYeon

I enjoy the inane discussions about which metal is like the other.
Unfortunately, Truegold is Truegold.

评论来自 Unholydarkness

Look here guys .. if you are a herbalist im sure you are gaining more volatile lifes than you need to > so heres the %^&*!
If you arnt an alchemist then look in for trade and post up a deal for a Transmution master . Whisper the master "I would like to fair trade you my volatile life into air/water/fire . in the next few days you get a chance to earn double money as you proc" . I had around 300volatile lifes i traded them into the deal less than 30min. Now either you sell the volatiles in AH for and profit > my server usually Volatile's air/water are double the cost of life - Or buy 3pyrium bars and make into a true gold .

Just a tip of how to make some gold of the *!@#load's of volatile lifes im getting out of herbing . If your the same then try out my way of making V-Lifes into max money.

And thats a way to farm some 365 Weapon's that came out for BS .. get an ubgrade will ye?

And hey .. if anyone got a better way of making lifes into gold by making truegold please share !

评论来自 Oktorok

In soviet Russia, truegold transmute you.

评论来自 Serthaa

If you're exalted with Ramkahen and if you're in a level 24 guild you now a 30% discount.

I've come up with prices based on both, but the flasks, truegold and deepstone oil prices are all based on how much they are going for on the AH on my server (Uldaman).

(Exalted+Bartering)

Pyrium Laced Crystalline Vial- 3,500g
Sands of Time- (x8) 16,800g
Trugold-(x8) 4,800g
Flask of the Winds-(x8) 800g
Flask of Titanic Strength-(x8) 616g
Deepstone Oil-(x8) About 10g if you buy the cavefish and have an alchemist make them; About 60-100g if you buy them directly.

Total: 26,581g

That's a lot of money for a mount, but for mount collecters like myself it should be worth it to save it all up~
(Hopefully I got my math right)

评论来自 rhysdog

and our truegold ripper http://www.wowhead.com/item=39769

评论来自 pinktailz

had 2 procs only, hope we will make some money on trans epic gems in 4.3 cuz not its no profit at all

评论来自 Dadoosaurus

The price for this is just ridiculous. As a BS, to make one iLvl 359 belt, I need 3 of these. At 700g each, that's 2100g, not counting any other material. I would pay about 1000g at the most for the item itself if it were BoE. So yeah.. Once again, crafting things for yourself is still pretty useless.

评论来自 Swamped

This gold is very true....

:D

评论来自 aoeu

Been monitoring the AH prices on truegold on a couple of servers. The prices have been steadily decreasing and somewhat reached a somewhat stable point. Raw mats are about the cost of making 1 of these. Decent profit seems attainable only when this actually "proc"s.

评论来自 Raisher

I'm shocked nobody has said this yet. When created by an alchemist, truegold has a chance to "proc". This means that you have a chance to make extra truegold with the mats of one, up to 5 truegold. The estimated proc rate is as follows. 1=100% 2=9% 3=4% 4=1.5% 5=0.5%

评论来自 Raisher

评论来自 Talon2256

this should've stayed with blacksmiths and not gone back to alch.s

评论来自 digitalblade

I don't know about your servers but on mine it's selled for 400+ gold ... wtf

评论来自 Jomjo

In patch 4.3.3, this is still a great money maker if you are an alchemist (especially a transmutation master). The mats might cost you approximately 100 gold, and can be resold for 300-500 once changed (on my server anyway).

I am a transmutation master my self and I got six truegold with one cool down. :]

评论来自 Catkins

Really confused because I logged on my lvl 47 hunter for the first time in about a year today, to see what I can sell to make some money. I had 20 Truegold bars, worth 500g a piece o.O

Did Truegold used to be mineable pre-4.0? Thinking back I'm certain I mined them like Truesilver ore. I have no idea how else I could have acquired them on a lowbie alt with no gold nor need for Truegold. I can't find any information about whether Truegold existed pre-4.0 either...

评论来自 Surge479

金锭 was merely a set back.

评论来自 goparty

easier and quicker to just buy this - can make 10k an hour by farming gold using the guides at http:// alturl .com/fmnt3
try em free u wont be disappointed, god i remember when i used to buy wow gold for real money :S its so easy to make when you know how lol guess thats why they never seem to run out

评论来自 Grayzbdf

Truegold has no cooldown as of Patch 5.0.4

评论来自 Aerynsun8449

Where do you get the recipe to transmute Truegold? Every trainer I've visited tells me I already know Cataclysm Alchemy. They have nothing else to offer as far as training special recipes. So, where do you learn the recipes for Truegold? I appreciate the people who write these guides. I just wish someone would update the guides when things change, such as the trainers no longer offering to train you in special recipes.

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