Definitely easier to find in Vash'jir
I found Stormvine to be more common than Aszhara's Veil around the ruins of Vashj'ir, and the other way around in most other areas.
is a very nice place to farm herbs for
if you know where to go. I have constructed a route for this, which can be seen
. This route is heavily populated with
For some Milling data:
Milled = 50 mills.
some calculation makes that to
for each single Stormvine.
From Wowheads' data you could calculate:
2.5/5/2 = 0.25
2*0.25/5/2 = 0.05
for each single Stormvine, given that 1-3 or 2-3 means its equally distributed.
I milled 21 stacks (96 mills) this morning. Results:
202 Ashen Pigment (2.4/mill approximately)
20 Burning Embers (0.238/mill approximately)
The anecdotal milling reports above are inline with the measured data posted in the milling tab. Why debate about it in the comments? I'd stick with the measured amounts on the milling tab, because you're going to need to mill a lot more than 150 stacks to make any better conclusions here.
From the milling tab at the time of writing:
1-3 Ashen Pigment per milling from 92,001 millings, 100% drop
1-3 Burning Embers in 22,617 out of 92,001 millings, 25% drop
The measured data above shows that one stack of Stormvine (20), statistically, should yield: between 4 to 12 Ashen Pigment and 1 to 3 Burning Embers. Keep in mind though, that a 25% drop per milling means there's a
one in three chance to get zero embers
out of a stack and a one in 250 chance of getting 4 or more embers. Once you've milled three stacks you have a better than 97% chance to have 1-3 embers, it takes half as much Whiptail though to have a 99% chance, so price them accordingly (i.e., never value Burning Embers at more than the price of 30 Whiptail, since it would be a waste to pay more). Wowhead says embers sell for around 80g, and that seems fair to me in light of the math.
The problem is with the missing information on the distribution of the occurence of single or multiple drops. Wowhead is neither right nor wrong on the mean output of milling some herbs, as it does neither have data on nor make any assumptions on the actual number of output!
There is no information available that clears what the distribution of the number of Embers is and from wowheads data alone it is not possible to calculate that!
For those not familiar with statistics:
In the case that an ember drops, wowheads data does not say anything about how probable it is to get 1, 2 or 3 embers.
It could be that one in 1000 ember drops reveal 2 embers, or one in 2 drops could be it.
The conclusion Drolfeir makes about getting 4 or more embers is void, its just guessing the underlying distribution and taking some random number as a "percentage", I made the same mistake earlier, I thought the 25% would refer to a single drop (I guess he uses a poisson distribution from what he says). But applying the same principle to ashen pigments would result in only getting 1 ashen pigment (or infinite). Btw. if you use an poissondistribution that takes a constant chance on each drop, about 50 millings would already produce a statistically significant sample. From this, it is very clear, that the wowhead data is NOT to be interpreted as to get 25% burning embers per milling! That conclusion isnt't only void, its strictly wrong.
From my data and what I observed from about 10,000 millings by now, if ember drops, the chances for getting 2 embers is nearly as high as getting 1.
Probably wowhead will provide information on the actual mean milling (and enchanting etc) values.
btw. when I did above post, there were only about 200 millings in wowheads database. I only bought stormvine at that time, because wowheads data was incomplete and inconclusive. That was the primary target to do that post at that time. In comparison to that it was valuable information to me, as it saved me from miscalculating prices in the range of several thousand gold, so I wanted to share that information. That the database of wowhead is growing should be known to all...
PS: A little pointer on the side: You should think about the value of pigments. 50% of the value of stormvines, cinderbloom, heartblossom and 33% of whiptails, twilight jasmine lies within this source.
This herb can be found either at the tops of mountains or at the bottom of the ocean!
I've been playing WoW since Vanilla. Believe it or not ... I also have a doctorate in botany. I've always been impressed with Blizz' attention to detail with the ecology of the plants in the game. Just like in RL, many of Azeroth's plants can predictably found in specific "habitats". E.g. only in marshes, grasslands, mountains, on the edges of lakes or in the ocean. This is a very cool detail that is probably lost on many players.
Whoever was paying attention to these environmental details must have quit for Cata. I can promise you that no plants could grow at the tops of mountains and at the bottom of oceans. Sadness.
Some empirical milling data in case someone is interested:
100 stacks of Stormvine (400 mills) yielded:
504 Blackfallow Ink (1008 pigments)
51.5 Inferno Ink (103 embers)
That works out to a drop rate of 2.52 Ashen Pigments and 0.2575 Burning Embers per mill, right in line with Wowhead's 25% drop rate for Embers.
On a side note, strictly in terms of herb vs. ink costs this works out to roughly 60% profit on my server.
To find the distribution of multiple drops, mouse over the percentages.
So, on average, wowhead uploaders got 2*0.5 + 3*0.5 + 4*0 = 2.5 Ashen Pigments per mill.
So, on average, wowhead uploaders got 1*0.24 + 2*0.006 + 3*0.006 = 0.27 Burning Embers per mill.
The most "useless" of the Cataclysm herbs.
Aessina's Miracle: After you've completed this quest and turned it in to Aessina and Arch Druid Hamuul in the Grove of Aessina all the firelands becomes regrowth, IF YOU'RE AN HERBALIST,don't forget to farm the regrowth area after it turns green. There are several nodes of stormvine that pop up where cinderbloom used to be. They respawn pretty quickly and if you choose to stick around (as I did) you can get a lot. I got 4 stacks of Stormvine and 2 stacks of Cinderbloom in 20 minutes (plus about 25 volatile life). You don't have to fight or compete for it - no mobs - It's awesome!
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Requires 425 to herb
Level to 490 Herbalism Skill
I can confirm that Stormvine does give Herbalism Skill points at least up to level
. (though not every pick)
For those who a leveling herbalism on a character less than level 82 (pre-Deepholm), and not a Tauren,
take the +10 from your
Gnomish Army Knife
you can go start farming level 500 herb
As of 6.2
Farmer's Guide to Stormvine
I jumped on my herbalist and decided to time different zones and different routes in order to get the most amount of herbs. Keep in mind I am a HORDE DRUID, and flight/aquatic form helps out drastically with picking herbs. There are other items you can obtain through herbalism, however I'll be just stating the main herbs.
Each zone was timed for
★ If herbs do not respawn at a good rate while on my druid, it will not be recorded below.
★ Links will take you to my YouTube videos.
EASTERN KINGDOMS -- VASHJ'IR
Azshara's Veil: 53
Azshara's Veil: 47
Because Vash'jir sucks Thrall's balls, the best place to farm Stormvine is the upper hemisphere of Hyjal. You'll see Cinderbloom and Stormvine spawn at about the same rate, but if you do a few fly-bys you will see quite a bit of stormvine.
Herb, Pigments, and Inks
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