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评论来自
Isilvara
The "Forest Lord" is none other then Shan'do Cenarius the Demigod, son of Malorne and Elune.
评论来自
plasmasnakemg
This is the kind of staff Jesus would use if he could turn into a bear but I mean come on he's Jesus. lol
评论来自
eulynn
This staff is now the ultimate power in the universe.
50 strength, with talents is 123.6 AP
Add 52 agility
Add 35 more agi from the enchant
and 1110 feral ap
=====
1320 AP
This is the pure DPS counterpart to your EW, Wildfury, or PoF.
评论来自
130154
Could this be used to replace EW as a tanking weapon?
1) No armor from weapon sucks
- but if Def is not any issue (i.e. you have over 2.6% crit reduction already) so it is just armor your going to loss.
2) +39 stam and 52 agi provide a LOT of Tanking potential via Def, Dodge, HP. I am not good at the mechanics of the game so not sure how much more of everything you gain from these stats.
3) With the added raw AP, added AP from str, and Crit chances from AGI you would do a LOT more damage and hit more often which will help hold aggro.
Just wondering what you guys think.
评论来自
131761
This will not be the best DPS staff it is intended to tank with unfortunaelty. Expertise please?
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34198
Will be the best DPS staff. . .
评论来自
39766
hypnoticbob you are wrong, i believe that every druid around here
favorizes 54 dodge rating from Wildfury rather then 21 sta more on
Pillar of Ferocity so Wildfury Greatstaff is alot better.
Compare if you dont believe me:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30021
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30883
So next time get your fact's straight and dont just look omg hyjal and go "it's better"
评论来自
62481
order of staff dps goes like so:
Stanchion of Primal Instinct:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34198
vengeful staff:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33716
staff of the forest lord:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34898
merciless maul:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32014
staff of primal fury:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33465
reasons why i dont like sotfl and sopf are simply because they don't come with one of the best stats that any melee must have, hit. bliz, if your going to make high quality staffs, put hit on it please ><. OR expertise (which would be even better)
评论来自
103284
What do you guys think is better for PvE dps, this or
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33716
?
评论来自
135867
Question: Do you think it would be better to use this or
Gladiator's Maul
for PVP?
评论来自
83139
is this staff better than
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33465
because i dont know if like 3 agility and some AP is better than 315 armor negation..
评论来自
Meatball123
i wish blizzard would change the staff model, right now it looks nothing like a druid staff imo. :(
评论来自
137985
I don't see why it's innately inferior. If you're at the armor cap this provides more avoidance than any other druid weapon, it provides as much stamina as the (current) best tanking weapon, and it provides more damage than any druid weapon in the game. I admit, it would be hard getting to the armor cap without the 2500 armor, but it's not impossible. Def/resilience is best gotten on other items anyway.
In other words, if you are in very high-quality gear situations this is the best tanking weapon for doing progression content. If you are not, this will be too much of a hit for armor.
评论来自
63388
This tanking conversation needs to be put to rest. Those saying it's a bad tank item because you'd be hard-pressed to reach the cap without armor on a weapon are right.
Filling every other slot with its max armor item (5/5 t6, heroic badge cloak/wrists/old neck/2.4 ring, kara ring, badge of tenacity, UBRS quest trinket) gemming/enchanting them all for agility, and assuming fully improved raid buffs - using this staff would leave you no more than roughly 1000 armor over the cap. The amount of stats you lose from sub-optimal choices outweighs the 3 stamina, bit of dodge and AP/crit this gains vs Wildfury. I just simulated this set very hastily, maybe you could squeeze some more armor out, but here's an example- including that UBRS quest trinket alone robs you of a spot for 51 stamina, or 36 def/32dodge/use effect. NOT including the UBRS quest trinket knocks off a 1000 armor leaving you right at the cap. This is just one slot... not accounting for the freedom and flexibility you get from not having your enchants/gems/consumables dedicated to uncrittability.
Ultimately, here's the dead end: people with access to 5/5 t6 for such a set-up will be worrying about tanking Sunwell bosses for which stacking stamina is more reliable. This set-up is the opposite of stamina friendly. Being able to put 15stamina blue gems in almost all of your slots is an immense help, as is a high stamina trinket. Threat is a non-issue for those bears, especially with hit/expertise items available, so the AP and crit are LOL.
For people without at least tier 5 equivalent items... you're far away enough from the cap that you'll need the armor, my friends.
So let's drop the tank staff talk. A more interesting question in my opinion is comparing Primal Fury's 315 APen to the ~240AP/neglible crit upgrade Forest Lord provides. How much APen would you need on all your gear to make it competitive? In other words... any reason whatsoever to hang onto Primal Fury once you have this?
评论来自
Nokturnal
This will be the best feral (cat) dps staff in game once it's added.
Anyone want to correct that statement?
(taking away the fact it doesn't add hitrating because you can easily get hit rating cap without a wpn adding hit rating)
Especially for trash mobs/soloing
(Expertise "Might" be required for raid bosses, but in general you're always attacking from behind in cat anyway, so just the % dodge reduce would help but even that is so little...)
As far as not reducing armor of the enemy... anyone want to tell me how much armor a raid boss has?
评论来自
139922
Its an imba weapon for both tanking and cat form. No armour may make it appear bad at first but who tanks t5/t6 as a feral without a priest or shaman healing them?
Once u hit 30k armour the extra mitigation scales v badly with other stats i know tanks that use part cat gear and t6 very successfully
评论来自
78910
i am sure that this wasnt really intended on being a tank wpn, more of a "stay alive a lil longer in kitty form" weapon, but as others have stated, if ur crit immune, and have the armor to waste, go for it, more AP, dmg, threat, burns down mobs faster... especially nice for those tanks that like to dps tank kara..lol
评论来自
Molgard
When I first Saw this Staff my Jaw Dropped. Now that I'm back from the Hospital with an Iron Jaw, I can say how Awesome this it.
It's So Awesome I spilled McDonald's Coffee in my lap to cool off...
评论来自
23311
So let's drop the tank staff talk. A more interesting question in my opinion is comparing Primal Fury's 315 APen to the ~240AP/neglible crit upgrade Forest Lord provides. How much APen would you need on all your gear to make it competitive? In other words... any reason whatsoever to hang onto Primal Fury once you have this?
I've been thinking about that, too. APen only starts to have a noticeable effect when you're packing close to 500, and Primal Fury puts you close to that number all on it's own. Assuming that you aren't already covered in APen items, I would consider Primal Fury to be equivalent, if not better, and if only because of a) the APen, and b) the fact that it's a lot easier to get.
(Expertise "Might" be required for raid bosses, but in general you're always attacking from behind in cat anyway, so just the % dodge reduce would help but even that is so little...)
Expertise is required for raid bosses. You may only ever be attacking from behind a boss, but that doesn't negate Dodge chance. I don't know what you mean by "so little"; I know that I get Dodge strings on raid bosses, and I've got 20 Expertise rating. Preventing any loss of damage from a Miss or a Dodge is critical to ensuring your DPS stays high, so yes, Expertise is an important DPS stat.
No armour may make it appear bad at first but who tanks t5/t6 as a feral without a priest or shaman healing them?
Then you're relying on a proc to cap your armor, which is ridiculous. Getting to 30000 armor and considering yourself "done" for the purpose of tanking raid bosses is insane. You stack armor to cap, you don't rely on other classes to cap for you.
评论来自
140598
Given the new Nurturing Instinct (100% of agility = +heal), this staff makes for an incredible PvP item for druids, even without the resilience. It also provides dodge, giving two nice stats no PvP feral weapon can match, since they offer zero agility.
You essentially exchange +hit and resilience for a lot of dodge, more stamina, and more +healing (assuming you have NI).
An excellent choice for druids who don't have the time or dedication to reach 1850 in arenas for the season 3 staff.
评论来自
140541
If you are kitty dps, get this staff, best dps weapon availeble, hands down.
评论来自
22001
Then you're relying on a proc to cap your armor, which is ridiculous. Getting to 30000 armor and considering yourself "done" for the purpose of tanking raid bosses is insane. You stack armor to cap, you don't rely on other classes to cap for you.
How much longer will you actually survive with 2-3% more melee damage reduction agasint a raid boss? Honestly?
I'm not saying this staff is a tanking weapon, I'm arguing the fact that armor cap is not nearly as important as having more stam, more agi, and generating more threat via str/crit.
评论来自
22001
Best easily obtainable dps weapon, the one from Sunwell is considerably better.
评论来自
23311
How much longer will you actually survive with 2-3% more melee damage reduction agasint a raid boss? Honestly?
I'm not saying this staff is a tanking weapon, I'm arguing the fact that armor cap is not nearly as important as having more stam, more agi, and generating more threat via str/crit.
In my experience, that 2-3% melee damage reduction can mean the difference between living and dying. Honestly. That might sound like just an off-hand response, but it's true. Life and death can be determined by as little as 500 HP.
For a Druid, Armor and Stamina are your two biggest assets. These aren't chance based stats. Pushing them to their limit should be your first goal as a Bear after becoming crit immune.
The fact that we can push our Dodge to levels undreamed of *without relying on procs* is icing on the cake. Not to devalue Dodge-- it's great. But pure mitigation is more powerful than avoidance, so getting as close to the cap as possible while stacking Stamina is what any Druid should start off doing.
The stats you profess are more important than our mitigation-- threat gen stats-- are stats that, by happenstance, Bears end up swimming in due to how our gear is itemized. Our Tier sets have loads of Strength and Agility on them, and many of our Badge reward items do as well. (Not to mention crafted epics and trash drops.) Additionally, our weapons come with a hefty chunk of Feral AP. If you're making a weapon change to favor AP and crit over mitigation, then I can't imagine what the hell kind of gear you're wearing or rotations you're using that would make threat gen a priority over survivability. Frankly, once you're in enough Tiered gear and non-set items (Bands of the Swift Paw, Treads of the Den Mother, Belt of Natural Power, etc), you'll have more than enough AP and enough crit to generate 1k+ TPS, at which point you should consider building Hit and Expertise, the former for better threat generation, the latter for better threat generation and mitigation.
Call it personal preference. I wouldn't use this staff for tanking, and at the gear level I'm at now, I'd rather invest in Expertise and Hit rating when possible versus more crit and AP to up my threat gen, and I'd rather lose crit and AP than +Armor.
EDIT: In case any of this sounds snarky in nature, I'd like to clarify that I mean no disrespect to the author of the quoted text.
评论来自
139922
wasnt really focusing on the threat aspect of this for tanking more the avoidance ie dodge enchanted its 87 agi which alone is over 6% dodge from this 1 item i would consider that more valuable than 2% less dmg /discuss
评论来自
142374
This isn't meant to be a tanking staff you are comparing agility and stam on this as vital tanking stats versus raw dodge and armor. While this staff is an obvious upgrade to Earthwarden, the CE rep mace was shamed out of the picture a long time ago.
It's not hard to get a Wildfury Greatstaff or even a Pillar of Ferocity, both of these are superior tanking weapons.
Now with saying that I realise a bunch of casual are going to jump me about the inability to aquire such weapons but the fact stands, this staff is meant to rival S3 feral staff and the ZA staff, a
CAT DPS WEAPON
.
评论来自
115678
For those of you who keep discussing the attributes of this staff for tanking, you might as well talk about using a healing staff for tanking too. This staff is for dps and pvp (assuming you can get +hit and resilience in other slots).
评论来自
139922
After seeing brutalus for the first time- armour capped and as much stam as possible are the way to go
评论来自
23311
I'm actually still torn over whether this or the ZA staff is the optimal one for DPS.
At this point my conclusion is equivalence between the two, though one will be superior to the other based on what the rest of your gear looks like. For me, the APen of Primal Fury tops the extra (and admittedly substantial) AP and (negligible) crit and Stamina on the Staff of the Forest Lord.
And from a purely aesthetic perspective this hardly looks like something a Druid would wield.
评论来自
Neanoa
Seems there is a small bug with this weapon. Glows from enchants doesn't apply to this weapon.
Have only tested with +35 agi though. Anyone able to confirm others/same?
评论来自
Gangren
No glow, no.
评论来自
Happypants
He's dead right. Great Moonkin regen weapon. If you have the badges to spare (I know some people do), then no reason not to get it.
评论来自
150148
Nope it doesn't show the enchant slapped +35 agi on it right after I got it and no green glow :(
Hey but this staff rocks still. But man I would be sooo happy if it at least had some +hit on it tbh. Ended up having to re-socket my entire dps set >_<
评论来自
113336
Maybe I’m off base here but if armor doesn’t help against magic damage and our theoretical druid is tanking a magic dealing boss… wouldn’t this staff be better than earthwarden seeing as it has more stam?
评论来自
Solander
As of 2.4.2 This staff is showing the glow from 35 agility enchant
评论来自
23311
Your theoretical Druid could use this as a Weapon switch for magical damage encounters, such as picking up the Hydross adds, though you could just use the Pillar of Ferocity for that to better effect. However, aside from Hydross, you will almost never have a Druid tank bosses that deal mostly magical damage; that strips them of two of their greatest advantages, which allow them to shine against physical damage mobs.
No, you'd have a Warrior tank those magic-damage dealing mobs instead.
评论来自
146232
Depending on your gear (and your healer's gear) this can be an fantastic tanking staff for some situations eg farming heroics & karazhan trash. At around 31k armor, I noticed rage generation slowed down significantly in trash pulls and heroic bosses, because mitigation was close to the cap. The solution?
- tank semi-naked (or use lower level tanking armor)
- get a stronger weapon: more attack power = more rage
I'll be glad to loose the armor and gain the attack power from this weapon. I'd much rather have a full rage bar in heroics, than have my healer wasting their uberhealing potential. I suspect we'll complete the instances much faster too.
As an added bonus; if your dps players are less well geared, you'll have a chance of topping the dps charts !!!! (I've seen this happen)
Again, this is situational advice only. I'll always use armor weapons for the hardest hitting fights.
评论来自
78370
What is better for pvp
S2
or
Fortest Lord
?
I'm with 400 resil without S2. Doing my experiences, I think that
Fortest Lord
is better because can provide me more survival and better dps. But it is necessary to use mangle idol like:
S4 idol
,
S3 idol
,
S2 idol
or
S1 idol
.
And you guys, what do you think about this?
What is better?
Hugs
评论来自
170380
Now that Karazhan is beginning to feel as easy as UBRS once did, this item is highly accessible. When 20+ Badges of Justice are available in around two hours, the Staff of the Forest Lord might be a considerable alternative to the Brutal Gladiator's staff, at least for those who can manage the resilience without the weapon's contribution to the stat. I prefer this weapon for World PvP and for Arenas.
And speaking of the appearance, the staff coordinates with the other blood elf themed items available from the same vendor, and it doesn't look any less ridiculous than the gear coming out of Zul'Aman. We're all looking like Hollywood indians now. I have to put my faith in blizzard that they will give us a more agreeable theme in the future sets.
In my opinion, they never topped the tier 2 sets.
评论来自
173939
How staf is better ??
Staff of the Forest Lord
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34898
OR
Pillar of Ferocity
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30883
I am a feral druid.
评论来自
179939
Hmmm,
But that 1% mitigation from 74% to 75% requires 1840 armour which is then 5.13% of your total Armour Points.
Dodge also scales in the same way and if your closing in on the armour cap then chances are you are going to be at about 50% dodge raid buffed which means 1% more dodge will cause you to be hit around 2% less often.
I am not saying that the last 1% mitigation is not better than say 60% to 61% because it is but in terms of damage taken over time you are equating it incorrectly to dodge and the amount of armour required to get it.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To compare armour directly to dodge it may be better to work in terms of armour points since the whole argument seems to be about using this as a tanking staff (I would stick with my Wildfury tbh). Wildfury fives you 2750 armour in bear form if you are specced for it but the Staff of the Forest Lord has 52 agi on it which equates to about 117 armour with survival of the fittest and BoK. So with the Wildfury you get 2633 more armour.
Now losing this 2633 Armour if it would land you exactly on the cap leaves you at 73.544% mitigation.
(75 - 73.544) / (100 - 73.544) = 5.5% less damage taken.
But what about all that agi you get on the Forest Lord? Well with Survival of the Fittest and BoK that gets you 3.95% dodge. You must however 2.85% you get on the Wildfury directly which leaves you with 1.1% more dodge. Going from 50% dodge to 51.1% dodge would have you taking 2.2% less damage so the Wildfury wins by 3.3%.
In order to take the same damage over time a non armour staff would need to increase your dodge by 2.75% (again from 50%) and even doing that is a bad idea because as many have said it is not the damage over time that kills you its the 2 * 10500 crushes on your 20k health that could have been 2 * 9975 crushes with more amour leaving you alive instead of dead.
You can not really equate one to the other, you need them both for different things.
评论来自
88189
Using this staff instead of the Earthwarden, you'd gain roughly 600 health, 500 AP, 2% crit, and 3.2% dodge. But you'd be sacrificing 2750 armor and 1.5% parry/dodge reduction from expertise.
You're right about the stats, except for the armor, since armor stats on weapons don't get the Dire Bear Form buff. So 500 armor will still be 500 armor (650 with Thick Hide 3/3) for tanks.
评论来自
308504
Gotta ask! Couldn't a MM hunter use this because of the AP+ and Agi+?
Selpio-Blood Elf Hunter-Boulderfist
评论来自
343219
I am working on a Casual BiS set for my new hunter. I hate the way all northrend gear looks, with epic gems if you get all the badge items you can use, you can use the same items from 70-80. Currently dual boxing heroics with my protpala. Its going to take a while but Ill get this beauty. Then I wont have to deal with the horribly itemised brown crap that Northrend is littered with.
评论来自
438574
Looks pretty damn cool. Good pick up as a transmo item. :P
评论来自
Taliesen
This staff looks really incredible with any Blood Elf caster transmog set, like the
Sunwell Mage Regalia
. Very easy to obtain, too. You don't need any reputation with Shattrath factions or any particular quests completed in order to buy it from the vendor.
评论来自
1227871
Looking for a weapon transmog for a green fire warlock, this might do it.
评论来自
frosteternal
Is this staff still obtainable? Cuz I can't find it on the npcs :(
评论来自
Venrus
Staff is still available as of 6.0. You just have to switch from your own class tab in the top right to all then you can find it.
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