评论来自 Kimba

Dropped for Nihilum from Teron Gorefiend

Warrior weapon! Note that the speed on this gun is 1.9 which is very fast, ideal for pulling. To my knowledge, it's the first gun that is directly aimed at warrior tanks. Interesting.

评论来自 Kanana

I must agree with Kimba, this is a Tanking gun.

Though the damage output would have hunters "/need", they could benefit more if they had a better raid-tank.

The stam is execlent and i dont think hunters should be using dodge rating.

评论来自 61689

Actually, the engineer gun (stupidly enough) is also geared at warriors. Yep, it's pretty stupid imo that there are that many tanks guns. There aren't many ranged weapons to begin with. (1 in SSC and 1 in Tempest Keep? The one in Tempest Keep being only marginally better then the bow from Karazhan? Right...)

评论来自 6918

Actually it wouldn't be a bad PVP weapon at all for Beast or Survival Hunters due to the defensive stats and high speed for interrupting casters. PVE-wise, probably only Survival would be interested for keeping Expose Weakness up.

For Marksmen of course this is simply far too fast (unless they somehow make it to BT without an epic ranged drop).

Not disputing that it's the best ranged weapon for tanks to date - clearly it is - but there are other uses for it as well.

评论来自 Shaile

seriously, wtf is wrong with blizzard? is there such an abundance of hunter weapons they start making weapons for specifically for warriors now? wasnt it enough when they changed the much anticipated engineering gun hunters worldwide had waited long for into a tanking gun RIGHT under the nose of hunters?
hunters get ONE friggen weapon from BT/hyjal. now you have the same amount of warrior tanking weapons as main hunter weapons. jesus. where is all the hunter melee weapons SPECIFICALLY aimed for hunters? with RAP and ranged crit? this is fucking slap in the face of all hunters.

评论来自 61920

ARGH!
Blizz *finally* puts in a range weap with the perfect speed, without stacking a ton of Haste, for a MM or SV Hunter that wants to use a simple auto/special type rotation...
and they give it Sta and Dodge

Warriors shouldn't expect 'first dibs' on this beauty.
The fast speed of this gun is great for the Hunter that knows what to do with it.

评论来自 49056

http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=qu=4;sl=15;minrl=68#00Vzc here is a list of all the guns and wands and bows and X-bows,

评论来自 43749

QQ.

How many "Hey, this is a TANKING RANGED WEAPON!" ranged weapons were there in pre-BC WoW? Oh yeah, zero.

评论来自 Alaha

As a hunter (Zoa, Vek'Nilash) i would never, ever want a gun like that, so obviously its ideal for warriors. I wouldnt even take it as MM or SV, cause you make skills like rapid fire obsolete. Keep in mind that you first off all have a quiver, which will take you down to 1,6 attack speed, and then you have procs from iAotH, items or whatever you carry with you. Its way too fast for any hunter, even if we forgot about the stats.

评论来自 ruke

every hunter that claims this to be a hunterweapon should be shot with it immediately :)

评论来自 7049

I am a hunter, and I would never take this gun over a tank, because it is completely built for tanks, and has some of the best tanking stats on a ranged weapons. There are so many better options for hunters, it is not even funny. I agree any hunter that thinks that this gun is for them should be shot with it!

评论来自 62602

apart from the dodge this makes for a brilliant surv specced hunter weapon

pre TBC (2.0 talents) my hunter was surv specced using the eaglehorn longbow as my preferred weapon, the fast speed along with the surv talents, and obviously high crit chance needed for the surv spec, made for an insane amount of dps

surv is all about fast speed weapons, main reason why surv spec currently isnt used as much is the simple lack of fast weapons, granted it would be great for pulling... but lol!.
this is defenately a surv hunter weapon, dodge is great to have on a surv spec hunter as you will have a shitload of it to start with, and a surv specced hunter will have imp trap talents (or he's a moron) and nothing saves your a** like a dodge after trying to trap something (and maybe failing)

but basicly, this gun is for the hunter who prefers to not pull aggro.. small crits but fast steady dmg, and with a surv spec he wont be doing much but critting :)

yes i love hunters lol, but it WOULD make for a good tank gun, just an aweful waste of a good surv gun :(

评论来自 Iconix

This gun is terrible for survival, and for any other hunter spec for that matter. Survival is not all about "fast shots." Survival is based around stacking agility (which this gun has 0 of) and is most effective with the same weapons as MM spec. (namely slower, harder-hitting ones) This gun is quite obviously designed to be used for tanks and anyone who can't see that is blind.

评论来自 36563

What Iconix said, this gun is horrible for Hunters. Level 70 green bows would have stronger Auto shots then this gun.

Not to mention being almost impossible to properly thread shots with such a fast speed, not even taking into account a BM Hunter, which would be 100% impossible with such a fast weapon.

评论来自 62988

Even if each individual auto-shot hits harder on a green bow, simply autoshooting without using any abilities, this gun would severely out-dps many current 70 weapons. Although the stats on this gun reflect tanking, the high speed compliments the many new haste rating mail equipment. I'd love this on my hunter, but tanks who need more aversion should get priority.

评论来自 56310

Hunter pulling aggro? You have trained an ability called feign death right?

评论来自 bigredhutnar

this item is a tank priority, while stamina is nice for all classes dodge rating has no PVE use for a hunter only for tanks, and as a hunter shot rotations get very cramped the faster speed you get so anything around this speed would not work to maximize dps

评论来自 27804

This would be an interesting 'toy' for a hunter...
And with toy i mean to play around with if noone else needs it (anymore)...
The fast speed combined with a survival build can give some interesting results (dps wise + mana conserve).. you can (without iaoth) fit in a steadyshot spam easy.

But other then that, it lacks hunter stats, even the dodge and stamina arent that much of an improvement over the engineering gun.

Besides all that, its a gun, it looks cool and i'm a dwarf hunter... doing them math on that is always win =)

评论来自 36563

After Quiver bonus this gun comes down to a 1.65 attack speed, that means you have .15 seconds to thread in your Steadies. The slightest amount of lag would mess up the rotation, and even if you were in a lag free environment, you would still need to be hitting your macro (I wouldn't even considering trying to use this gun without a Cast Seqeunce macro) with almost perfect timing.

If a single haste effect procs your speed is going to be dropping under the GCD.

评论来自 62626

i`m a beastmastery hunter ,i love it. It`s a tanking gun too.

评论来自 64231

I'd say the ideal tanking gun would be one with 3.0+ speed, because that one shot needs to deal as much damage as possible. Not that it matters, though, this is obviously a tanking gun.

I was about to say "Good for Warriors and Paladins," but I caught myself. Yes, neg me all you want. :[

评论来自 66884

Nice gun for hunter.

评论来自 17792

Shame this isn't a throwing weapon. Those are superior for pulling and don't require ammo taking up precious (especially for warriors) bag slots. Wish the itemizers at Blizzard played their own game.

评论来自 57691

I have this gun for just one use, i love the speed an dmg!
(+10% is -0.19sec, 5% is -0.095)
With Rapid Killing the speed is 1.14 sec (+40%)

With Rapid Killing and Heroism (70 Draenei Shammy) its 0.57 sec (+70%)

With Rapid Killing + Heroism + 15% Ammo Pouch its 0.285 sec!!!! (+85%)

And a haste potion is what? 38% speed so rounding that to 40% it would be -1.145 or something like that

评论来自 59522

Compare to http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32756 (Gyro-Balanced Khorium Destroyer)

+4 Stam
+20 Dodge Rating
-1 Socket

Any Warrior in Black Temple will have at least +12 Stam socketed into their crafted gun, more than likely +15 Stam. Which brings the difference to:

-8 to 11 Stam
+20 Dodge Rating

Sidegrade at best?

评论来自 75795

Maybe you should pay attention to the Shoot ability on non hunters. It's ALWAYS a 1.5 second cast and the Cooldown is the speed of the weapon.

评论来自 85926

Well as far as pulling goes(in a raid setting mostly, but in any sensible 5 man) hunters are by far the best pick at the moment, Misdirection generates more threat off the bat then anything a warrior has. This isnt because blizzard likes us(im pretty sure they are trying to figure a way to remove hunters from the game) but instead this spell was introduced due to the drastic damage increases seen across the board from every dps class. At top end even a very good warrior would be hard pressed to grab fast threat VS a lot of classes now. Sure you can sit around and wait for threat to be generated, but blah to that when you have a move that can give the warrior like 10k threat to start. ANYwho as a hunter i'd use this as a pure joke. just to machine gun shots i guess. Im really only upset because of how hunters are limited to certain weapon types. Bows seem to be at the top edge of things at the moment, guns are a joke, and crossbows are at the middle. and GG to only X-bows from pvp? Thats my two scents, any guild seeing this gun will know whom it should go to. Peace and keep the FD ready!

评论来自 55370

Man you're not a tank !! Because if you was you would know that at this point in the game you would have more then enough avoidance, if you get yo much avoidance you wont get any rage and then you cant keep aggro and thats equal to a wipe !! You shouldn't have strong opinions about things you dont know

评论来自 91955

Is this gun to fast for farming for a hunter with a good auto/steady rotation?

Its seems like it would be good for pvp and farming as a hunter personally.

the +dodge would not be incredibly good for a tank imo.

评论来自 Afrozombie

It is a great tank weapon with a fast speed and good stamina and dodge rating. Hunters should look for something else this gun don't have good hunter atributes.

评论来自 87522

Any tank in the position (bt guild up to gorefiend), will be SET on stamina--
avoidance is much much much more useful in T6 raiding (than the 11 extra stamina assuming anyone would waste a 15stmgem in gyro-balanced.) This is simply because 1% dodge rating means more than 110 health. period. I've done much experimentation with avoidance and stam/armor on my warrior (i use this gun), and have concluded that once a tank has reached the bt level, avoidance is more useful. To put it in perspective- which saves the raid more often-- the tank surviving with <110hp, or the tank taking no damage at all by dodging it?

评论来自 126961

its ofc a nice tanking wep but i would love it for pvp as hunter.
this + alot of haste rating is imba

评论来自 flitschbirne

Ok. Enough talk about warriors. What about Beast Master Hunters??? I always thought that the faster the weapon the better for BM hunters....

评论来自 25211

This gun is a must have for tanks going into sunwell. Because of the sunwell radiance buff on all sunwell mobs tanks need to stack as much avoidance as possible. The gyro-balanced khorium destroyer may be great for stam but I'd gladly sacrifice the stam for as much dodge as in on this gun!

评论来自 27713

So if not the speed, what makes it take 2-3 seconds before the first shot fires, with khorium destroyer ?

评论来自 142794

I wonder, why have 0.5 speed shooting is so bad for hunters. sorry but i play with paladin and I do not understand the speeds discusionns : P

评论来自 rubino7

if you have a high crit rating (like me 25%)is this a nice gun

评论来自 49773

Gun used by 'professionals'

评论来自 121059

Parry being the best is a yes and no situation. Parrying an attack IS better than dodging it, for the reasons listed above. However, stacking parry rating is more expensive than stacking dodge.

~24 parry rating = 1% Parry chance, at 70
~19 dodge rating = 1% Dodge chance at 70

Therefore, given equal amounts of Dodge or Parry rating, dodge wins out. I've long contended that the Epic gems you get out of heroics should be changed to reflect this (i.e.:http://wowhead.com/?item=30566 and http://wowhead.com/?item=30563, dodge kinda wins out)

But again, parrying an attack is better than dodging it, hence the more expensive cost.

All of that aside, I have recently switched my Raid toon from Prot Warrior to Prot Pally, and desperately wish that Blizzard would give us something this flat out AWESOME to go in that relic slot...

Very helpful stuff there. It is true that the more you parry, the more you hit the mob and the more threat you generate, but it is also true that the mob will parry you more when you hit more often, resulting in you taking more damage.

I would also like to clarify that at this point i find myself never starved for threat, as i have an almost unlimited amount of rage whilst tanking these bosses.

And if for some reason you are really starved for rage at this point, then have a shaman give you flametongue or windfury, and pop out that 2.7 speed weapon (E.g: Dragonstrike) for higher devastate and heroic strike damage. Then again, i never had to do this due to how easy it is to keep aggro whilst the entire raid has salvation and other threat reducing talents/items, and whilst i have +2% threat enchant on gloves.

评论来自 170228

I am SV-Hunter and i tried to raid Sunwell with that Gun. With 4+/8 T6 and some little haste i reached a speed of 1.62. So i can rotate very well 1:1 with steady. Since we can build cheap shots, ammo isn't an issue :)

But the problem is: autoshot-hits are a little weak. Raidbuffed round about 500 so only the crits are usefull with 1200+. The steady-hits are normal, i haven't seen a big difference to the normally used Xbow of relentless strikes.

now you have to consider wether the raiddps-plus through expose weakness can top the more personal-dmg with a "normal" BM-spec.

评论来自 goblinego

Is this Shotgun,Pistol or Machine gun? just awesome!

评论来自 hypehuman

Looks like this is the fastest ranged weapon useable by hunters in the Burning Crusade expansion. A hunter probably wouldn't want this though.

评论来自 Hauraki

it's interesting to note that, in woltk hunter dps spreadsheet v75, this gun was rated 3rd (among tbc gears) after thor'idal and golden bow, and above everything else.

the only possible reason i could think of, is that since autoshot is unlinked, and faster weapon benefits more from ammo dps than slower weapon, this tanking gun may well surprise some ppl...

评论来自 bonevader

So i've been using this in Northrend and slaughtering everything as a dwarf BM hunter. got it for the collection but it's pretty sweet now that gun speed isn't as important. With Mammoth cutter bullets and the +15 dmg scope shouldn't this be completely awesome? Can somebody check their spreadsheets for this?

Also, faster weapon spd equals a larger number of crits and more procs from items (provided there's no hidden cooldown, do such items even exist?), so doesn't that benefit? Have specs been built around fast weapon speed?

评论来自 rubino7

This gun looks fat lol.

评论来自 Rawer

looks like a spiker from halo

评论来自 Skunkport

Contrary to some of the misguided comments here, this is a frankly awful weapon for a hunter. The damage of your special shots is calculated from the weapon's damage, the slower weapon will have higher damage per shot and therefore much more damage from your specials.

Not that it really matters anymore since it's an old weapon! On a more relevant note, this would be pretty awesome for transmogrification in 4.3!

评论来自 wisedada

Very strange. With Mists the separate slot for ranged weapon was removed, and hunters became the only class wearing a bow / gun / crossbow for serious purposes.

Guns like Rowans Rifle of Silver Bullets got some love (original stats was +hit and avoidance, in form of dodge if i remember correctly, and there was strenght instead of agility), and became, with agility, +crit and +haste, a proper hunter weapon (even if a lot of hunters was looking at it as an upgrade, ranged dps being the 1st stat to look in a weapon).

Meanwhile, weapons like this or Armor Plated Combat Shotgun, from engineering, still have defensive stats, something somewhat strange if you consider the uselessness of those stats for a pure dps class like hunter. I mean, I see zero scenario where a +dodge can be useful for an hunter.

Probably more than a side note, since the only use of weapons like this is transmog on these days (even twink pvpers get better weapons in sunwell / illidan / legacy pvp weapons).

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