Initially this title was to be "Archiereus"... I wish they kept it that way. Fire-Watcher ? Is it a reference to Survivor, a game played on an island where contestants have to watch over their fire constantly? Why else would you want to watch over a fire ?
This achievement won't be so easy to get but doesn't seem worth the effort.
I would even have signed for any of the other achievements as the title to be "Oathguard", "Blazebinder", "Kilnmaster" sounded a lot cooler. Fire-Watcher... without me guys...
This has got to be Blizzard's secret way to make your server hate you. 10,000 kills? That is insane. Especially given the fact that Island will be pretty much empty in about 6 months, that's about 50-60 eligible killing blows (not even HK) every day. I think this will be impossible to get after this expansion.
Hot fixed to 2000 coins yesterday.
"Emissary of Ordos" would have been a better title than "Fire-Watcher" imo.
2000 is still a large amount. If you count killing 20 people, thats still more than 3 months, or 1/4th of a year of straight pvp wins, not even counting all the times you'll lose or get ganked on the isle, along with all the other pve stuff, and shaohao grinding. Its in the ballpark of the Insane in the Membrane after this expansion has passed, where everyone will rarely be on the isle.
"Ordon <Name>" would have been a better title.
I agree that Archiereus would have been a
cooler title. Fire-Watcher isn't bad though. The only problem is that I find it too similar to the Summer Event titles, oh well...
i cant even start fight on my realm be4 somone hits me... so well impossible here i think, im on pve realm
Just got this achievement. It's a long grind.
If you kill a death knight with Purgatory, you won't get a coin on the first kill. If you follow him to the graveyard and kill him again, you will get a coin, assuming he still has the Perdition debuff (purgatory is on CD).
Holy priests have
and will not grant you a bloody coin. Ever. They get the debuff
and do not grant a coin. Check every priest's buffs for any of the Chakras and, if they have one, simply avoid them, as there's no reason to kill them.
As other people have stated, you only get the coin on a killing blow. You can utilize mobs to help you dps your fellow players, but make sure to CC them when your target gets low or they can and will steal your bloody coin.
Grouping up doesn't really work unless you're a class with a good, ranged execute (hunter, destro lock, priest). I farmed all of my coins solo. Many classes will probably fare best, in terms of efficiency, if they do the same.
Always check graveyards for afk players and easy coins. Also, check the horde and alliance bases on the coast for people who afk while they take the flightpath to the island. Often, there will be several afk players (depending on server pop) both at the flight master and the nearby graveyard.
Is this title "accountwide" like when you get it on one character you can use it on all of your characters or do you need to get that achievement on all characters to use the title on them any one know?
Let me share my knowlage for you achievement hunters out there:
1.When you use
-You dont gain nor lose reputation,what does that mean for you?Simple,when you kill guards at celestial court you DONT decrease your reputation with The Augustial Celestials so you are free to kill guards there if the try to interrupt your kill,the down side of this is that while you in Emissary mode you cant farm reputation with Emperor Shaohao by killing Ordon members though you can loot em normal and do quests and stuff
-You need to remember that any Item buffs you can get from the daily quest Path of the Mistwalker or simply geting by looting a mob will be canceled that includes Shire blessings and Weapons from legend(the ones you need for achievement
and opening the cave for the rare elite
is in,so once your Emissary you cant pick up those items...well you can pick them up but the buff they provide will be removed from you in 2 second).The only buff you CAN KEEP is the Timeless Nutriment for a 5% stats boost you get by eating various foods around Timeless isle
-Lastly KILLING BLOWS made by you and ONLY YOU will get you
and that mean that enemys geting killed by fall dmg or mob dmg or some sort of item like
or some "self destruct" spells like Death Knights Purgatory or Mages Cauterize or Holy priests Spirit of Redemption for that matter,so if your victims die from those effects you wont get your coin so be aware,also killing blows made by your PETs do count and by pets I mean warlock and hunter pets not sure if guardian killing blows count didnt see or know any cases yet so if any one knows do replay.
CD can be refreshed by entering and leaving an Arena match(though most ppl just wait)
2.When you use
-You are only hostile to enemy faction,you cant mount(unless you can have a change costume item like
or any costume that allows you to mount the buff that gives you the possiblity to earn the coin wont disapear),KILLING BLOWS have a 10% chance to get you a Bloody Coin,enemys you kill dont get the debuff
,doesnt remove any buffs or shire blessings like
does if you use it on the Timeless isle,doesnt make you hostile with guards on timeless isles nor prevents you from gaining or loseing reputation.
-Entering and leaveing Arena match DOES NOT reset CD
-My personal opinion on item:For coin collecting NOT IN A MILLION YEARS,for a cool costume when bored in raids or/and want to brag to ppl in the future YES
3.For farming coins I wont go in all details but will share you a few of my own tips
-Unlikely as it may seem Range dps have the biggest advantage here not stealthers.Reason behind it is range can easly nuke down ppl that are in Hord or Alliance camps without pulling guards or in celestial court at graveyards or prity much any where around the arena where boss encounter takes place(with the exception of two stair cases where there are 4 guards close to each other,guards are easy to kill but with all those stuns binds interrupts make it easy for your would-be-victim to score a kill againts you)
-I suggest camping camps from water and have a
for a quick getaway(or blink,disingage or leave a Demonic circle in water like I do with my lock),farm graveyard when ppl go afk or celestial court where ppl also go afk cuz they feel safe...trust me it is far from safe exept the stairs at the front entrance and you need to hide behind the broken wall at one of the sides that makes it impossible for range to avoid any contacts with at least 1 of the guards there and most wont take that risk because
has a 10 min cd
-Dont attack ppl that are killing rares or elites reason is simple the rare may take your killing blow and that way you piss off the person without geting your kill,my suggestion kill the rare with them and just before kill is secured DPS THEM /grin,they will instinctivly go loot the rare before they start attacking you and that gives you a realy realy nice(fiendlish) head start in the killing race(works every time trust me),only expection is on Huolon or Dread Ship Vazuvius I wait till some one makes a mistake moveing 2 slow and I just...take the coin as my achievement hunters duty is
-Farm the opposite faction *cought* only.No reason to piss off both sides with your killing spree,so kill on sight(the ones you can kill)the opposite faction,ask your own faction if you can kill them so they dont attack you or help you kill other faction if they get 2 pissed off at you and start hunting you down like rabbit dogs across the map,as for the people that just happend to stay *cought* silent while you dps them THEY 100% APROVE OF YOUR DECISION OF KILLING THEM(in Law those that stay silent they aprove)regardless of faction
-Lastly for those of you that are on low populated server and have a hard time finding your "unwilling contributioners" for the achievement simply ask a friend to inv you cross realm to there server OR oQueue up for a celestial raid and be a good raid member and make sure that the opposite faction doesnt interrupt your raid friends in killing the boss by...you gessed it BY MOWING THEM DOWN LEFT AND RIGHT WITHOUT ANY MERCY OR DISCRETION once the raid is over and ppl start to leave do help your self with...additional coins from any one you lay your sight on(they from other server not like you will meet them ever ever again)
-realy dono if you consider this "a few tips" sorry
I have not yet compleated this achievement my self(890 coins so far) and dont know if the title this achievement awards is account bind and can be used on all characters on you account cuz a few titles cant and hopeing this isnt one of those title(I hope I am just being paronoide).So share that info if any one does this before me.
-People I compleated the achievement and the title IS account-bound so you can use it on any alt you wish.
-If you are wondering what to do with the remaining 1100 coins or so I suggest waiting for WoD and then cashing them into
cuz at that time that pet will be "unobtainable"(can you imaginate Timeless Isles after WoD?A real wasteland if you ask me) so when WoD come out and the pets price gets ridiculously high on AH it is time to cash in your blood,sweat and tears into a huge pile of gold :)
P.S. I hope you all enjoyed doing this achievement like I did,did put a lot of sweat into it while the blood and tears part was provided from my "contributioners".
P.P.S. I suggest doing the achievement now cuz when patch 6.0. hits you can kiss your title(mount,pet) good bye.
P.P.P.S. Before WoD comes out I suggest farming as much gold as possible cuz if my gut feeling is correct(and it is 100% ALLWAYS CORRECT when gold is involved) in WoD I am realy afraid there wont be enough gold to go around(not that it ever is,but this time especially) so I suggest getting your hands on as much gold as you can(the
will featch you a realy nice boost in gold though...till a 300k gold mount appears or you have to upgrade your Garrison that will probably take a realy realy lot of gold from you,amoung other things),or buy things like 108k mount or some other expensive mount,pet or any other thing so you dont need to save gold for things from older expansions,so I hope you all have fun with your gold grinding and achievement farming ppl :)
You can enter and leave an arena match instantly to reset the cooldown on your
If you want to farm coins quickly but you're afraid of burning too many bridges on your own server, 5.4.2's cross-realm raid finder tool includes world bosses Ordos and the Celestials, making it a quick and easy way to cross to another server to farm the coins from both factions, if you so choose.
A lot of groups pull the boss before everyone is there anyway, and either don't notice or don't care if a few people or more aren't present at the boss.
If the raid leader logs after the boss kill, you're free to stick around on his/her server for a while.
Sure, it may be dishonest, but if you're going for this achievement you're probably going to want to set your morality aside for a bit.
It's a great way to shorten your friend list. Although i get new friend-requests with a lot comments involving my mom xD
This achievement is not as difficult as i expected when i started it.
As an balance druid with 543 pve ilvl I can easily make 100-150 coins a day.
How i do it:
First i find a safe spot to use my Censer. Usually little out in the water.
Then i proceed to check graveyards / camps for afk players.
Both camps becomes neutral towards you when you use the Censer and killing guards will not decrease your reputation.
I make no difference from killing Horde or Alliance.
I try to stay away from the upper part of the island as there are more groups running around / easy to get caught with all the players killing for reputation / Huolon.
Other than that i just try to avoid big groups and gank every target i think i can take on.
Hope this is helpfull and happy hunting for all of you.
Update: The best way to farm coins is to simply use the Fire-Watcher's Oath. This can be used in a similar fashion to the censer on the timeless isle to players of the opposing fashion and does not give a debuff letting you farm them over and over again. Paired with the censer it lets you get at least 1 coin on the isle for anyone you kill and 2 coins if they do not have the debuff. The other way is to que for random bgs and use the Oath inside. You are able to mount with the Oath now making it the go to method. Healers will have a hard time but if you focus on sniping kills it should come in no time.
The following are some tips if you want to farm bloody coins the old fashioned way.
Here are some tips to help you farm
. First for
realms and then for
you only have a few options. The first and likely what you will spend hours of time wasting is looking for the rare flagged players. What should be your bread and butter, and will undoubtedly make people spread more hate in general chat than you can imagine is to cause other players to flag for PVP.
The two ways that I have found to be the most effective is to use a
to turn yourself into a mount and go stand on peoples kills while they are looting. If they right click you then they will begin to auto attack which will flag them for PVP.
The other way to get people to flag easily is to use the
which you can get from
Vale of Eternal Blossoms
and has a
drop rate. This item will make you near
and make flagging people when standing on their kills even easier. Standing on dead rares and player's kills will work wonders for flagging players when using large mounts like the mammoths or in conjunction with
Using any of these above methods will cause people to hate you and don't be surprised when players group up specifically to kill you. General chat will likely become volatile and remind long time players of
Now for PVP servers.
I leveled a toon on a PVP server specifically for farming coins and here is the biggest and most effective way I have found is to camp places where players go AFK. One of the perks of using the
Censer of Eternal Agony
is that you can both the Alliance and Horde flight path areas. You are not hostile to Horde or Alliance guards.
Only the Shaohao guards are hostile if you get to close.
Players often afk when they first get to the island or think it is a safe place. You are actually able to get close enough to players as a ranged class to kill those players. Now three things will happen at those areas. They will be afk and give you a free stay where they are confused why they are being attacked, flee, or attack you. So check graveyards and anywhere players afk. The nice thing about this method is the kills are generally free and you are not impeding players.
Now last but not least my favorite method that I call
. To do this you are going to need to acquire the
Cursed Swabby Helmet
from a chest in a ship on the bottom of the ocean near Old Pi'jiu. This item will make you very mobile in the water. The reason I call it sharking is you will circle the island and kill unsuspecting players by taking them by surprise like a shark. You can use this item to kill players at the flight path using the previous method. Other uses include killing players as they farm turtles on the beach or are following
around the Timeless Isle.
Well well, what a surprise, the two submitted screenshots are both of opportuni-- I mean, rogues.
<Your Name> the Target of Rage would likely have been the best title for this achievement. Or maybe Farmer of Tears... general chat on timeless is the best!
When you use
the fastest way to get your health back is
This achievement can be done in just a few days. You need:
- 100 Timeless Coins
- 2 computers (it can be done with running 2 copies of WoW and alt-tabbing, but 2 computers is way faster)
Spend 100 Timeless Coins to buy
Using that item has 10% chance to grant a Bloody Coin when killing opposite faction player. It does not require target to give honor, so it can grant you a coin when killing a low level player. So start killing low level players!
Install WoW on second computer and create trial WoW account. Its free. Create low level character on your realm on opposite faction. Move it to graveyard that is not guarded by NPCs where you can safely kill it over and over again. Toggle PvP, use Oath on your main character and kill your alt. Release spirit, talk to spirit healer to resurrect, kill alt again.
With this method you can get one kill every 4 seconds or 150 kills per 10 minute duration of Oath that should net you about 15 Bloody Coins.
How to make it even faster: use macro for resurrection.
If your alt is below level 10 you can also macro resurrection at spirit healer:
Create macro, bind it to a key, start spamming it. On your main character spam some AoE, such as Blizzard or Hurricane. That should reduce downtime between kills to about 2.5-3 seconds, granting you about 25 Bloody Coins per 10 minute duration of Oath.
Now has a one hour cd and can no longer be reset by entering an arena match.
So your telling me Blizz found a way to increase horde vs alliance ganging up, and they did exactly that.
Just spent the past half hour dead.....
I finally got this achievement today! I farmed Bloody Coins like crazy the last two weeks, as I'm afraid it will be extremely hard to get this achievement in Warlords of Draenor. Because I doubt there will be players around Timeless Isle in the coming expansion.
Sharing my experience:
• The best way to recover your health after using
is probably to eat the turtle eggs between the Alliance and the Horde base. The healing is a direct heal and not a healing over time heal. There are often a lot of eggs close to each other. The turtles are hostile targets (passive mode), they will not attack you unless you attack them.
• When you are going offline or shall play on an alt, I suggest you to use
logging out. The time of the item's cooldown will continue, while the buff stays. Buffs does not expire while being offline, so try to take advantage of it. At some point, you will most likely die while farming these coins. Then you will be grateful that the item is off-cooldown.
removes the buff of
• Getting out of the Timeless Isle removes the buff of
. So be really careful when hunting players who are in water, especially when they're following
. The dark water which are being shown in your mini-map are the locations that removes the buff.
Insane way to farm bloody coins at the moment, AND do a public service at the same time!
If you're an alliance player, Head over to Twilight Highlands with a
go to Bloodgulch.
Now, at the eastern entrance to this horde base there is a vendor called Naka Scaleblade, you will notice LOADS of lvl90 hunters with weird names swarming around her, these hunters are botters.
Kill the vendor, and also kill the other vendor called Raug. If you're worried this will be classified as griefing, don't be, these vendors are not important and horde players can simply use any of the other vendors nearby, however the botters are programmed to only go to these 2.
Proceed to farm the living hell out of these botters, they respawn very fast and they will not attack you.
I was able to get an average of 120 - 200 bloody coins per hour farming these botters.
Ridding azeroth of scum and getting free bloodycoins for it, GLORIOUS!
This achievement is part of a series of achievements obtained from collecting
s. There are two items that allow you to obtain this currency, as outlined below:
- Obtained from
This item grants a 1 hour debuff that CANNOT be cancelled unless you a) Die or b) Leave the Timeless Isle.
The debuff allows you to kill members of both your own AND the the opposite faction while on the Timeless Isle, and collect
With this debuff, you are hostile to your own faction, the opposite faction, celestial court guards, and flight masters (including your own). As such they can all attack you.
Activating this item maintains your current form and race, but makes you translucent and red in colour.
When used, this item does damage to you equal to 90% of you maximum health. It does NOT change your maximum health - it just means you have to heal up the initial damage taken. This also means that if you are below 90% health, it will instantly kill you.
This item can only be used on the Timeless Isle.
Only killing blows grant
s are granted only when killing players level 90 and up.
The item has a 1 hour cooldown.
You do not gain or lose any reputation while the debuff is active.
Targets killed while the
debuff is active gain the
debuff, preventing anyone with
buff from getting a
from killing them for 10 minutes.
This debuff does not stack with the buff from
, and whichever of these items is used later will overwrite the other.
- Obtained from
This item grants a 10 minute buff that CAN be cancelled.
With this buff, you will be able to obtain
when killing members of the opposite faction ONLY.
The buff is lost upon death.
Activating this item changes your appearance to that of an Ordon Firewatcher, and makes you translucent and red in colour.
This item can be used anywhere in the world, including raid and dungeon instances, and in battlegrounds.
Only killing blows grant
s are granted only when killing players level 90 and up.
The item has a 10 minute cooldown.
Logging out will freeze the duration of the buff with it's current duration, but the cooldown on the item will continue to countdown while logged out.
The item can be used while mounted, without dismounting you.
Targets usually can be killed repeatedly, as the
debuff is only applied inconsistently, and not on every kill. In many instances you can obtain a
on multiple kills of the same person.
This buff does not stack with the debuff from
, and whichever of these items is used later will overwrite the other.
The achievements associated with collecting
(which grants the title "Fire-watcher")
also sells items which can be purchased using
s as currency:
Puts a 90% healing reduction debuff on your target for 10 seconds.
Level 90 PvP Trinket.
Teaches the battle pet
. This pet can be caged and traded/sold on the auction house.
A ground mount.
2 ways with the
Keep staying alive in BG and get a killing blow can be satisfying while you do BG achievements :-)
Cheese it... but boring)
Killing a friend horde alt (90-100lvl) near a graveyard.
At 1000 or 2000 kills it would have been fun to did it :account wide achievement.
I Can confirm that in patch 6.2.3
Works in Ashran tested myself :) If you get the killing Blow ofc.
So happy the grind is over, such a pain farming it in WoD... I Dont recommend it.
I'm not sure about US PvP servers, but periodically in Oceanic PvP servers (Jubei'thos/Gundrak/Frostmourne/Barthilas/Dreadmaul/Thaurissan), there is a swarm of typically night elf druid (sometimes DK and there's also Horde sometimes) boosted bots that have a fixed path between
Halls of Lightning
and the vendor near the Ulduar flight point. As a hunter I just spent most of my time farming these bots. it's both near-effortless and beneficial in slowing down botting activity.
Right now, patch 7.2, there are TONS of bots level 100 and 90 running into the Sunwell raid. I just stood outside farming and got about 500 coins in an hour, this being alone. I believe this is the new Ulduar farm spot for Legion.
Anyone want to do this hit me up. The way showed on the video.
BFA (Patch 8.3)
HOW TO FARM
(Can be bought in AH) you have to spend
you have to spend
4 HOURS 10 MINUTES.
you have to spend
For the last achievement
you have to spend
16 HOURS 40 MINUTES.
In other words, you earn 19-20x
s for every
that you use on a 10 minutes session (see below)
All you need is a friend AND
an opposite faction (110+) character.
(On your friend's account)
There are three cases:
A) Your friend has a 110+ oppossite faction character into the same realm (or connected realms) as you.
B) Your friend has a 110+ opoossite faction character in a random realm (not the same).
C) Your friend hasn't any 110+ oppossite faction character.
What to do in any case:
A) Nothing, this is the best case. Skip to the next paragraph
B) Create a level 1 opposite faction character into your realm and make a group with your friend's Character. This allows your friend's character to be able to 'see' characters of your own realm.
C) Ask from your friend to create a
110 class trial
oppossite faction character into your realm.
Set both characters to same warmode setting. (Preferable Warmode
Bring both characters to Timeless Isle
Buy on your character
/way 75 45
Bring both characters to a quiet graveyard in the zone. (I preffered
/way 39 34
/way 65 48
is also a quiet one.)
Remove ALL gear from your friend's character
Enable PvP in both characters (if WM OFF)
on your character
Kill your friend's character
Release spirit on your friend's character
Wait for resurection (30 seconds rotation)
Repeat/spam kills. Just make sure to refresh your
buff when expired (10 minutes).
*Warmode OFF is more efficient because other players will not see your characters on 'red' and they most likely don't bother attacking you unless they enable their PvP.
**This can be done also in other zones with a (30-sec rotation) Spirit Healer but Timeless Isle is a quiet place to do it.
***Yes, you can use the toy
but that grants a 10-min debuff
to your friend's player preventing you to obtain
by killing him. This makes the procedure 20 TIMES
****There is no reason to create a macro to your friend's character for 'release spirit' because you have to wait the 30-sec ressurect rotation soever. If you feel you need it anyway then here it is
Why is it that, on this page, it says 2% of players hold the title, but on the page for the title itself, it says 3%? This is the same for the Insane title/achev, the title page says 1% more than the achev page.
I don't like the "repeatedly kill the fake low-level account" approach as it reeks of exploit to me. Instead, I've been farming coins in Wintergrasp. Pop the Fire-Watcher's Oath toy then hop in a catapult. Then start roasting enemy melee in any large scrap. At ilevel 452 I'm doing 30k+/second to anything in range (with crits even bigger than that) and can mash the flamethrower key to make this damage continuous. I collected ten coins in less than ten minutes this way. Now you can't do it for the entire BG of course, but you'll have enough stints like this that the coins will add up nicely over time. Best of all, you get to laugh maniacally while you do so. And if your tank gets low on health, you can just turn and zoom back behind your lines for safety. Then abandon the vehicle (or dump it in water) and create a fresh one.
Anyone doing this achievement in BfA without using a 2nd account/friend should be using
as their major essence slot. This gives you a very powerful instant cast spell with a 40 yd range.
Make sure you save that for dying targets, because if you kill someone with Reaping Flame, the CD becomes 5 sec and you get a 100% damage increase on the next one, allowing you to execute even more people. Otherwise, make sure you only use it on +80% HP targets so that the CD is 15 seconds instead of 45 sec.
is another alternative you can use if you insist on playing a healer or tank spec. Its power increases the more you use it and can be used a healing spell if you need to survive in order to keep the buff.
FASTEST WAY TO FARM BLOODY COINS:
1. You and a friend from the opposite faction (or your 2nd account) go to the Spirit Angel at
(cave entrance is at
) and have your friend stand where the Spirit Angel is. You do NOT have to be on the world quest in order for this technique to work. The Spirit Angel will automatically resurrect you every 30 seconds, bypassing the 2-minute resurrection timer entirely. Type
to help find where the Spirit Healer is located inside the cave easier.
2. Use your
in order to collect the
needed for your
3. Stand at max-range (next to
) and kill your friend/self with ranged attacks. Being at max-range will prevent you from getting the '
Sacrified to Ordos
' debuff which prevents you from getting another coin for 10 minutes.
and once you
this achievement you discover there really isn't much you can actually
with so many coins...
Since back in the day there used to be a video/comment or whatever pointing to Valley and after me and my friend's experiment in Highmountain taking a bit longer than we remember we ventured on to Valley of the Eternal Blossoms to check if the old place works.
So here's how it works:
Have a friend of the opposite faction
Use the item and kill your friend close to Shrine of Two moons
If your friend's alliance - he will have a spirit healer @ 39, 31.6 / If your friend's horde the spirit healer will be at 59 , 34.5
Your friend should use this macro and basically spam it
/tar Spirit Healer
/run RepopMe() RetrieveCorpse()
/run RepopMe() AcceptResurrect() AcceptXPLoss()
You spam one easy damaging spell like moonfire at range
Rinse and repeat until you get what u need as many times as u need and then swap do whatever.
I found great success using this method with my friend compared to the one from Highmountain. This one would net me about 500 in approximately half an hour or so.
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