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评论来自
58158
This trinket was changed from 54 critical strike rating to 108 attack power in the 2.4.0.8016 test realm client, along with
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=35749
(63 hit to 63 spell damage).
评论来自
120506
Well it beats out the berserker's call in passive attack power, and as a hunter, the 40% increase in potion effectiveness is really gonna cut down on my fel mana pot consumption. Really spectacular in my opinion.
评论来自
78894
I find this trinket to be very very subpar compared to what other professions get
Speaking as enhancement shaman, but i think this goes for most melee dps classes.
First of all the mana/health potion factor is nearly neglectable, most of the time you use Haste Potions which boost your dps, so this aspect of the trinket is only limited to very specific encounters, and pvp most likely (i could see a good use for pvp with this)
The 108 Attackpower is very weak, if you compare it vs one of the easier to get trinkets Bloodlust Brooch (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29383
), which has an effective 115 AP ...
These trinkets could defenately use a buff, all the other proffessions got items that are above BT quality. These trinkets i would place on par with ZA quality at best
评论来自
Dethklok
I'm considering this upgrade as a raiding retri paladin. Mana is always an issue, so the +40% extra will come in nicely.. Now I think about it, I'm guessing the 108ap outrolls the +15stat on the original piece by miles.. Although I'd prefer the crit.
评论来自
141000
The raw materials to create this item are:
70
Mote of Earth (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22573
)
70
Mote of Water (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22578
)
70
Mote of Fire (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22574
)
70
Mote of Air (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22572
)
60
Mote of Shadow (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22577
)
50
Mote of Mana (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22576
)
4
Iron Ore (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=2772
)
4
Purple Lotus (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=8831
)
4
Firebloom (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=4625
)
3
Deep Peridot (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23079
)
3
Shadow Draenite (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23107
)
3
Golden Draenite (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23112
)
3
Blood Garnet (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23077
)
3
Flame Spessarite (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21929
)
3
Azure Moonstone (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23117
)
2
Fel Lotus (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22794
)
2
Nether Vortex (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30183
)
1
Black Vitriol (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=9262
)
评论来自
zydar
this is a great trinket for retardins and hunters. I am using one on my pally with tsunami talisman and it is amazing. no mana issues at all so i can keep my dps pretty high.
评论来自
3clipse
I have to say, this is an incredible trinket for raiding hunters. The 108 AP is amazing, only beaten by Bloodlust by 7 effective AP (but let's be honest, who *literally* has their trinket popped whenever it's off cooldown?), and the 40% to potions is just...wow. I sit at around 6400 mana/22 mp5 prebuffs, around 7600 mana and 90 mp5 after full raid buffs. However, using this and fel mana potions, I was actually able to keep myself constantly full of mana - I would get down to around 4000 mana, drink one, and the last tick would get me to about 7500 mana.
For hunters like me who have gear more oriented towards damage stats (i.e., leather items and less int-based mail), this is one of the best raiding trinkets out there. 108 AP is an amazing passive bonus too.
评论来自
11180
What I want to know is if this item is worth taking over the regular alchemists stone for a Retribution Paladin. Let's compare:
Alchemist's Stone (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=13503
):
30 Attack Power (33 with Blessing of Kings)
0.6% Chance to crit (0.66% with Blessing of Kings)
150 Health (165 with Blessing of Kings)
225 Mana (~247 with Blessing of Kings)
Vs.
Assassin's Alcemist Stone:
108 Attack Power
Which would be better for a Ret Paladin? 75 Attack Power or 0.66% crit, 165 Health, and 247 mana?
I would assume the Attack Power is better, but could I get some verification please?
Let me look at it from a different perspective; from Blizzard's gem system.
16 Agility, Stamina, and Intellect vs. 75 AP.
From gems we can see that AP is worth 1/2 of Intellect and Agility (for example
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32197
vs.
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32194
, ratio of 2:1)
So we can say, hypothetically, 16 Agility = 32 AP and 16 Intellect = 32 AP. As for stamina:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32200
vs.
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32197
(as you can see I chose the gems with iLVL of 100 in all examples, as to keep things as fair as possible)
There is .75 Stamina per AP. So we can say, again hypothetically, 15 Stamina = 26.25 AP (or just 26).
32+32+26 = 90. 90 > 75
I know I severely, severely dumbed things down, and I broke the laws of physics with these comparisons, but for a class that uses at least 4 of the 5 stats on the Alchemist's Stone (Like a Ret Paladin!), it is a higher budgeted item than this Assassin's Alchemist Stone (when ONLY looking at Blizzard's definition of budgeting in gems, which could mean nothing in the long run but w/e).
评论来自
BoddAH
To get a better view about how « good » this item actually is, you can convert the 40% mana increase from drinking potions into mp5.
A Super Mana Potion gives you 2400 mana on average, this Alchemist Stone will give you around 960 extra mana every time you use a Super Mana Potion (2400 + 40% = 3360 mana on average Super Mana Potion use)
In very long/long boss fights (in short ones you won’t get oom anyway), if you drink a potion whenever the cooldown (2 minutes) is up, you would get:
960 / 120 = 8 mana per second from this trinket or 40mp5
All in all, with optimal use, this trinket can be seen as:
Assassin's Alchemist Stone
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Alchemy (350)
Equip: Increases attack power by 108.
Equip: Restores 40 mana per 5 sec.
评论来自
73706
108 Ap makes this
one of
the top pure AP trinkets in the game. No need to hope for a proc, no need to worry about a dearth of crits ruining your trinket uptime (hourglass) or getting too caught up in the fight to hit your on use trinket (name one) etc etc. I know on my priest, personally, I've really grown to love not having to worry about on use trinkets. Just melt faces and the trinkets take care of themselves, so this one should be great for my enhancement shaman.
Plus, this just goes amazingly well with the
Mad Alchemist Potion
, especially for melee classes that seem to always have to deal with random boss X's Aoe, cleave, random charge, etc etc. Not to mention that on my shaman, I've only ever procced useful elixir buffs, notably major agility. Even procced an
Elixir of Ironskin
during an AV and was pleasantly surprised.
Mats to make the trinket are rather reasonable and easy to obtain for any alchemist, especially one with a helpful guild.
评论来自
140985
You did enumerate the positives to not having on use trinkets, but none of the negatives. Just to balance out the pros of not having on use stuff (some were mentioned earlier in this thread), some cons:
- Usually less damage overall (e.g. bloodlust brooch)
- Lack of ability to ramp up damage/AP for particular abilities (e.g. shamanistic rage for enhancement shaman)
- Lack of ability to take advantage of weak points in enemies (e.g. curator's evocation phase)
Also, since using trinkets don't incur the GCD, if you find yourself forgetting to use trinkets during hectic fights, you can write a simple macro to simply try and use the trinket before a particular ability. A priest example since you mentioned it, I try and use my Icon of the Silver Crescent before every application of SW:P. Now, I lose some dps from not popping it as soon as the cooldown is up, but it is much better than simply getting caught up in a hectic fight and forgetting to use it at all.
Anyways, this trinket is definitely going on my enhance shaman till I can get either
Tsunami Talisman
or
Berserker's Call
.
评论来自
176170
I take it this trinket is like the JC trinkets where y can drop JC and still be abe to use them?
评论来自
114935
So if I use up my Alchemist's Stone to make the Assassin's Alchemist Stone, can I then make a second Alchemist stone and thus have the Assassin's in one slot and the regular in the other slot?
评论来自
154287
Although the merits have been mentioned for using this trinkets with hunters and mana pots, but has anyone had experience using
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22838
for rogues with this trinket? I'm wondering if the haste would increase to 560 with the extra 40%.
Disregard, I'm a Noob who doesn't know how to read the tooltip.
评论来自
janevit14
Could anyone pls confirm if the effect stack with Hunter's Spirit Bond (+10% received healing)?
Do you think Alchemist will still be a viable option for Hunter in Cataclysm when its resource is 'focus' instead of mana?
and what other professions do you reckon will work best for Hunter then?
Sry for asking, but thanks.
评论来自
JaxOh1
Using the WoWhead item filter, i found this trink is makable as soon as LV50 (powerleveled and you dont get the skillpoint for making it, but you have it and can use it), yet for any non-caster dps (rouges, DKs, wars, etc), it will last you at the very least til Lv80. Worth making on a 50s twink? Just maybe.....
评论来自
Twodotsonekb
I know the Wowhead filters list this as lvl 50 required because of being able to achieve 350 alchemy by that level, but this is actually incorrect due to the requirements to purchase the formula for this item. You can't do it until you are level 70 so the minimum level really should say lvl 70.
评论来自
Zoeteklem
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