评论来自 19583

Could this be affected by spell power? I recall quite a few pre-BC weapons with lifesteal procs that were affected by spell power (Ancient Hakkari Manslayer comes to mind.)

评论来自 38138

Shockingly poor quality of item considering the difficulty of Magtheridon relative to say, Prince Malchezaar or even Gruul who both drop weapons that are at least equal if not better than this.

I'd hazard that the proc rate is fairly low, if it's the usual 5 or 6%.

评论来自 15728

They might have buffed the proc rate on this. I picked it up last night because nobody else wanted it (prot warrior) and Procwatch said it was around 8 ppm when I was beating on a blasted lands guy.

I only messed around with it for 15 minutes though.

评论来自 Shuror

This weapon has three sockets which is a lot. You can conveniently fill them with Strength or Stam gems if you feel this item lacks pure stats.

评论来自 Zeneva

Btw guys..is this considered a weapon HELD by Magtheridon himself?Cause if it is so..then blizzard should add some yellow text on it for..it is the only weapon usable by players which has wounded Illidan before..the only..

评论来自 62473

For a warrior, then proc is consistent with 9.8% chance on hit, if you count hit as any ability requiring a weapon (white, slam, mortal strike, rend, probably heroic strike, hamstring, execute). Not confirmed for victory rush. There is no minimum time between proc, as procs within 2 sec has been observed (white hit + slam or MS). No haste effect (flurry/trinket/gear) were used when approximating the rate. I doubt you could get a PPM anywhere near 8, expect 4 to 6.

Rate has been establish with 90 minutes of autoattack in the blasted lands and confirmed in instances.

The proc is after a hit, so it won't proc if the hit is a killing blow. The proc won't heal if no actual shadow damage is dealt (resist or killing blow, which lead to partial healing), not tested with shields (PW:Shield, voidwalker sacrifice, mage mana shield/ice armor).

评论来自 23141

Have been using this Polearm as a Retribution Paladin for a few weeks now, and like the above poster, it's proc chance seems to be around the 10% mark.
Procs off judgement of command, SoCommand, white hits and Crusader strike.
It can be resisted, and 'drain life' immune mobs such as mechanicals are immune to the effect.
The damage done is also affected by avenging wrath, but due to the low %dmg increase from the talent 'Crusade', I'm unsure whether this affects it too.

Overall a very good polearm, however lacking it may seem.

评论来自 2703

I dont see how this is better or comparable to Gorehowl. The Glaive gets you a slightly higher top end and a DD proc at the cost of:

-49 Strength
-43 Agility
-51 Stamina

No thanks.

评论来自 graham

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28311

also has a stealing affect

评论来自 52544

The proc does not make up the loss as much as the normalized AP based on a slower weapon, and that an arms spec warrior always should go for the slower, harder hitting choice. 49 strength and 1.4% to crit is just irreplaceable with 3 sockets and that proc (at 2 ppm the proc is only 10 dps, maybe 20 dps in actual use combined with instant attacks).

On the other hand, Gorehowl's 498 ap is about 35 dps. Being a 3.6 speed weapon however it not only has a lower average damage, lower top damage, it also gives you a lower normalized attack power to damage bonus compared to this.

In other words, if you have a lot of AP, a slower weapon will win out against a faster weapon simply because of how WoW calculates your attack damage based on your attack power. The proc and the sockets just narrow the gap.

评论来自 Ravedruid

I can theorycraft about what would be better, X or Y but that really isn't what is concerning me... what is concerning me is the fact that I am going to go absolutely batty having to look at the damn fire effect that doesn't actually follow the glaive but sort of sticks out there like some cheesy streamer...

You know what? I figured it out... the lazy bastards used the exact same flame effect off of the Halberd of Smiting where the fire followed the vaguley "Z" like shape which if you check out the Glaive from the side you can see pretty plainly... to bad the Glaive and Halberd don't remotely share the same shape.

评论来自 DeadAimSpartan

OMG screenshot of hunter wit this!!! FAIL FAIL FAIL

评论来自 graham

i'm a lvl 70 hunter and i have a question, i've been using this glaive for quite a while and have done pretty well. But instead of this should i use the Big Bad Wolf's Paw + Blade of the
Unrequited?

评论来自 Strye

Comparing Gorehowl and Glaive of the Pit (in Warrior/Ret Paladin terms):

Gorehowl:

49 STR = 98 / 107.8 Attack power = 7 / 7.7 Increased DPS - a raw 127.7 / 128.4 dps.
43 AGI = 1.303/1.72 Crit, 86 armor, and 1.433/1.72 Dodge.
51 STA = 510 HP

Glaive of the Pit:

3x Red Gem slots.

Anywhere from 24 STR to 12 STR / 12 Crit Rating- there's a broad spectrum of how you can flex this weapon.

24 STR = 48 / 52.8 AP = 3.42 / 3.77 DPS - a raw 123.12 / 123.47 DPS
4 Crit Rating = .1695 % to Critical Strike.

*2 PPM on 3.7 = 12.33% chance to deal 283-315 Shadow damage / Heal per hit. *

Over 60 seconds- 10 Crusader Strikes, 16.2 White Swings, ( 16 x .43209 ) = 6.91 Seal of Command.
10+16.2+6.91 = 33.11 x .1233 = 4.082 x 285-315 = 1163.5 - 1285.83 DPM / 60 = 19.3916 - 21.4305 DPS (!!) x .95 (5% resist) 18.422 - 20.359 DPS = AVG 19.3905 DPS and 96.95 hp5

I'm not a math genius but I think that's technically correct.

SO

Gorehowl - 127.7 / 128.4 Final DPS + 510 HP + ~1.5% Crit.
Glaive of the Pit - 142.51 / 142.86 Final DPS + 97 hp5 + Very Minor Crit

And Glaive has higher Top-End.

I pick Glaive for PvE thanks.

评论来自 serpentea

I'm not sure if they buffed this item or not because of all the bad rep it got, but I am noticing a way higher proc rate than 10%. It actually is almost procing like 30% or 40%. I've had it proc 3-4 times in a 20 second fight as a paladin. And like a poster put above, it does proc off all of our abilities, seals and hammer even. Someone else above said that they don't know why anyone would pick this over gorehowl. I actually have both this and gorehowl, and I noticed that this polearm actually does significantly more dmg compared to gorehowl. The fact that epic gems are becoming more common only means that this polearm will actually be better if you feel like throwing down a few hundred gold on it. Anyway, for dps I would choose this over gorehowl anyday, but for pvp, I would take gorehowl.

评论来自 108239

Does the life steal count as a "heal" and also return mana for paladins?

评论来自 jpspeck

I dont know, with a proc rate like that it seems like this weapon would be good for pvp. Especially if it proc'd off of each hit in windfury. pop it and get healed for like 1200? yes pls. (saying that they all proc'd, XD.)

评论来自 124694

The windfury totem effect only adds one extra weapon swing. The effect of

Chance on hit: Steals 285 to 315 life from target enemy.

would be 570-630 damage/healing if a warrior or paladin got a windfury proc while wielding this. If a shaman could wield this and did get a triple windfury hit with all three hits proccing the lifesteal effect, it would be between 855-945 damage/healing. The parent posters figure of a 1200 heal is incorrect for either case. The parent posters wording does seem to imply thinking of the shaman weapon enchant version of spell. Either way . . . yeah, mod him down.

评论来自 151763

Anywhere from 24 STR to 12 STR / 12 Crit Rating

There is no 24 Strength gem, only 24 Attack Power, which is equal to 12 Strength gems, which stacked, would only give you 72 Attack Power, 26 less than Gorehowl

And Glaive of the Pit only has 14 more top end damage

I'd still take Gorehowl, as a warrior at least

评论来自 152252

S2 Sword or Glaive of the Pit, I would say Glaive, but maybe I am wrong.

评论来自 126611

as a ret pally with the S2 sword... I find this to actually be better. I have only three 8 strength gems in it now and savagery, but the proc itself is pretty sweet for damage. Coupled with the SSO necklace (I'm scryer, so I get the stupid arcane bolt) It really makes up for the wait in between swings when CS and Judgement is down.

That and it makes up for SoB friendly fire :D

And to top it off. Running around SM Cath with this to level my polearm skill I was doing 650 dps using SotC and never judging.

Yeah. I love it. Glad I grabbed it so it didn't get DEd

评论来自 169612

this is TBC http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=17074#comments
sucks as always

评论来自 58287

Can warriors with the new 2h duel wield ability use this in 1h now?
or is that just for axes, sword and maces?
cause if its possible this could make a decent weapon for me as a dps fury warrior.

评论来自 248668

Glaive of the pit Vs Hammer of the Naaru

Im a ret pally, and i have both, which one you reccomend?

评论来自 310786

This polearm is now useable by druids and has 909 feral attack power on it

评论来自 leogorn

I wander if it can proc while in cat/bear form...?

评论来自 315859

Should look more like a traditional Pit Lord double polearm IMO...

评论来自 EmbrceYrInnrGeek

Same shape as the ToC 5 man Heroic polerarm 抽髓长枪

Sometimes blizzard just suck at making new designs for equipment

评论来自 Evangelism

Hello transmogging xD

评论来自 36754

Looks great for a transmog. Keeps it's fire glow.

评论来自 365880

For the Alliance xmogging monks out there, this polearm is an excellent match to VanCleef's Battlegear (the rogue t9, but lookalikes aren't hard to get).

评论来自 stickshift

I totally missed that we can now xmog non-polearms into polearms. Dual-wielding these now with a Bold Armor look and the Stormwind Tabard reward in WoD.

It was so difficult to find two good fury warrior polearms, but now I finally have an xmog set to keep for a very long time.

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