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评论来自
Bull3t
This is one of the very best daggers in the game (or will be after The Burning Crusade release) and is an amazing dagger for a Rogue. It gives them a nice stamina boost while also keeping up their critical strike rating, attack power, restilence and hit rating.
评论来自
10517
I'm still wondering how hard it will be to get those 1875 arena points, since you lose points by losing a match. Some questions might be, how much points can u win or loose. How long would it approximately take to get one of these items.
评论来自
7765
Well it depends how much points you win if you win a match and how mutch points you lose when you lose a match.
评论来自
ApoY2k
Now I know, what I will buy for my first 1875 A-Points...
Kind of awesome that thing..
评论来自
23406
Same thing I was wondering, but with a item like that Im guessing it is going to take about the same amount of time it takes to get to exahlted with AB or WSG...who knows maybe sooner or shorter wont know until it is relased but Im hoping not to long
评论来自
23406
ok well I did the math on the rating system...so to say
Team Rating Arena Point Formulae
X = Team Rating, Y = Arena Points
If X=1500: Y = 2894/(1+259*e^(-0.0025*X))
Else: Y = 0.206*X+99
Ok this is the formula...so at the end of each week if your teams rating is 1500 you can earn 412.5 arena pts each week. So if your team rating stayed at 1500 every week for a whole month you could earn a total of 1,850pts a week so to say. So Im guessing It might not take that long for people to earn these pts if they have a decent group and can win there matches
评论来自
26166
As far I know you get points after what Rating your team is. So you wont lose points for losing your rating just wont raise. I just started doing Arenas and after my first 2 game witch I both lost my rating was 1466. So even for losing you will increse you Arena points
评论来自
neo2k
However, the revamp will make the cheap offhands to "offhand", and not "onehand", thereby you'll have to get an expensive weapon for mainhand.
评论来自
10821
Exactly, taken from the patch notes:
# The cost of the "Gladiator's Slicer" has been increased to 2625 arena points.
# The cost of the "Gladiator's Quickblade" has been decreased to 1125 arena points and changed to offhand only.
评论来自
Althal
I don't see any unique tag on these.. dualwieldable? Would totally pwn for a mutilate build... Just a few weeks of Arena grinding too..
Btw, this costs 2625 arena points now too.
评论来自
Mitsurice
This only took me approximately 4 weeks of Arena to get, First week was 1700, next week was 1800, third week - 1880, then forth week - 1954.
评论来自
BoddAH
Mutilate Rogues get screwed hard with the new pricetag on this weapon since they need two slow weapons for best results...
Blizzard should really introduce a 1.80 speed "only for offhand" weapon (like the Gladiator's Shiv) for us Mutilate Rogues, that would also cost 1125 Arena Points like a Shiv. Paying over 5000 Arena Points just for the weapons is insane...
评论来自
theholychicken
i thought the same.... until i read:
http://roguecrap.blogspot.com/
it turns out that the offhand weapon speed contributes very little to the overall damage you will do as a mutilate spec. Your offhand's damage per-hit is pretty small anyway because of it only doing about 50% of your mainhand's damage. Because your mutilate gets the +101 extra damage in both hands, this makes this damage difference pretty negligible.
Example:
For your offhand, the shanker will do an average of 79 damage per hit. (1.8 * 88.3 = average dmg, divide by 2 => average OH dmg)
In comparison, the gladiator's shiv will do an average of 62 damage per hit (1.4 * 88.2 = 123 average MH dmg => 62 average OH dmg). - these are both numbers before AP is added
Once you add in the +101 damage modifier you get from mutilate, you arrive at 180 offhand mutilate damage with the shanker compared to 163 offhand damage with the shiv on mutilates. Mutilate is a normalised attack, so it will calculate the extra damage per-hit as if you were using 1.7 speed daggers in both hands. If you have 1400AP, this adds 100 dps to your weapons. To get the extra damage per-hit you simply mutiply this DPS with your weaponspeed (in this case it will be 1.7 for both). This means both weapons will get an extra 170 damage per-hit on mutilates. Any other modifiers (eg the +50% from poisons) do not affect the difference in weapons..... this brings the BASE damage of mutilate up to:
350 damage for a shanker offhand, and
333 damage for the shiv offhand
------ a difference of only 5% on mutilates --------
When i was mutilate spec my mutilates were approx 30%-50% of my overall damage ( i cant really remember a more accurate number :) This means in terms of my TOTAL damage, using a shanker instead of the shiv offhand would give me ONLY 2% MORE TOTAL DAMAGE. Bear in mind too that the gladiator's shiv will apply poisons about 20% better than the gladiator's shanker because of the weaponspeed difference, and it also means the energy cost of your shiv ability will be 38 instead of the 34 if you were to use the shanker offhand as opposed to the shiv. For an extra 1500 arena points, I really don't think it's worth it :)
评论来自
theholychicken
i actually screwed up my calculation a little, but cannot edit posts here on wowhead :) i had said that the mutilate damage difference between using a shanker instead of a shiv offhand would be a boost of 5% on your mutilates -- this was wrong, i had missed that i was just calculating the offhand damage of mutilate, not both hands.
It was actually a 4.8% damage boost on your OFFHAND mutilate damage; your mutilates (including MH now) would only be increased in damage by approx 1.6%. In terms of your overall damage, since mutilate will probably be around 30%-50% of your total damage, your total overall damage would be increased by less than 1% - absolutely tiny.
And yes, Clinch's calculations do seem to be a little off. Even if you add 19% damage from having improved kidney shot up and find weakness the numbers are still too low. When i was still mutilate spec i crit someone for 3505 in arenas (unbuffed, probably with an AP trinket going though :). I was using Whispering Blade of Slaying MH and Ced's Carver OH at the time, so it's safe to say that with gladiator weapons it would be a chunk higher than that.
评论来自
29130
Got it today, pwnz!11 :D
评论来自
26284
*pow* nerf on 2.1 patch.
By nerf I mean, why the hell is blizzard lowering this weapon by .8 dps instead of fixing obvious game flaws.
评论来自
49747
This Dagger has now been updated on the PTR and is the same DPS (well a little lower) as the updated Malchazeen
Gladiator's Shanker
131-197 Damage
(91.1 DPS)
+21 Stamina
+9 hit
+15 Crit
+10 Resilience
+28AP
Malchazeen
132 - 199 Damage
(91.9 damage per second)
+16 Stamina
Durability 75 / 75
Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves hit rating by 15.
Equip: Increases attack power by 50.
评论来自
48064
so for mutilate spec its still going for shanker/shanker, which is both 1.8 speed, or still viable for a 1.8 on mainhand and faster speed on offhand, which is around the range of 1.3-1.4?
评论来自
39697
This is just a rumour but i heard somewhere that when S3 equipment hits, the S1 gear/weapons will be able to be bought with honor points.
Dunno where i heard this but it sounds pretty good imo.
评论来自
Calous
The Size of the Merciless, and Regular Gladiator's shivs and shankers have been reduced as of patch 2.2
评论来自
39697
The honor points needed to buy this (and other Gladiator gear) is now posted at
http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php#post_aprice
But this is not final (but its 99% probability)
评论来自
119839
Just wondering, how long would you have to do Eye of the Storm battle ground per day to get this in 10 days or less? And the same thing for the
Gladiator's Shiv
. So a summary. How long would you have to do Eye of the Storm battle ground per day in 10 days or less to get 36000 honor points and 40 x
Eye of the Storm Mark of Honor
?
Please reply, thank you.
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